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welcome to the skeptic zone the podcast

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and welcome to the skeptics on an

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episode 99 for the tenth of sep tember

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2010 Richard Saunders here with you

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sitting at the most wonderfully

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beautiful spectacularly picturesque Lake

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up here in the Rocky Mountains I'm with

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my good friend you know him is the bad

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astronomer dr. Phil Plait hi Phil good

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day today where exactly are we we're a

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black lake which is in Rocky Mountain

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National Park in Colorado and it's if

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you know where Denver is if you look on

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a map you drive north about 0 100

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kilometers and then turn left and that

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takes you under the Rocky Mountains and

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these are magnificent peaks and they

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they top off it Oh 4,000 meters 4,500

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meters there they're pretty high up and

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so are we yeah we're up we're up about

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3,000 meters the air is noticeably

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thinner here's Richard and I are both

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struggling a little bit the trails

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aren't too bad but walking up hills you

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know you get to the top you know you're

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in thinner air yeah but for the for the

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views from one to land on by they just

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and the day is beautiful it's still

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there are scattered clouds the sun comes

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out and it just can't get much better

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than this yeah we've got some wildlife

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sitting right next to us yeah some

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squirrels and chipmunks and some

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interesting birds flying around it's

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really gorgeous here I don't get here

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enough no missing with me well coming up

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on this week's episode of the skeptic

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zone we have a special report from

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dragoncon dragoncon Atlanta Georgia a

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bit about overview of dragoncon

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interviewing lots of people here in

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there and that's followed by dr. Richie

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reports where she's reporting live from

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the vaccinations booth at dragoncon the

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skeptic set up a booster room and lots

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of people came in we'll hear more about

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that later as what is that that's a

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golden mental swirl I think that's ago

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look at me or label that thing is Wow it

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just ran right past that's too good to

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be true as it could have passed

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we have been well wipe it with why Phil

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and I catch our breath uh and have

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another sip of water what was that don't

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fall my my wife is uh with at the edge

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of this lake it flows into a stream and

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it makes beautiful waterfalls down the

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hill but there's a lot of from a lot of

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fallen don't you see why there's like a

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30 x 10 meter pile of dead bed one dead

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wood pine and aspen and i'm not sure

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what else and it's all she's kind of d

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barked and bleached in the Sun it's

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clearly been here for decades and she's

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scrambling over it well I feel and I

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actually go and rescue well we'll let

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you listen to this episode of the

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dragon con 2010 was held from the third

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to the sixth of the September in Atlanta

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Georgia it's the largest multimedia

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popular culture convention focusing on

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science fiction and fantasy gaming

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comics literature art music film and of

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course skepticism it was the pleasure of

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the skeptic zone to once again take part

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in Dragon Con as we've done now for

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three years and we pick up the story

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with me wandering about one of the mega

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hilton hotel atlanta georgia where it's

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day 3 of dragoncon the great science

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fiction and fantasy convention my

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vantage point here i can overlook the

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lobby the main floor area where where

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hundreds of people are milling about i

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there's a sky bridge which connects this

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hotel to the marriott which is a

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constant stream of characters dressed up

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and see if we can spot some we've got

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three schoolgirls coming along I don't

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know what they're from maybe Harry

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Potter followed by some sort of and

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which and I looked over to my right eye

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can see somebody dressed up in the

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amazing steampunk outfit which is sort

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of like the Wild West meets technology

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lady with bright green hair followed by

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poison ivy from batman with a long red

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hair and green ivy we've got a sort of a

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New York cop complete with coffee

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Darth Vader a couple of

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stormtroopers following I walk over ask

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packed elevators full of all sorts of

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more steampunk people there's a little

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ferry over here with a long cape and I'm

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here we have the walk of fame which is

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get to meet people on my right is the I

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Dream of Jeannie room barbara eden Larry

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Hagman and William Daley who played the

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characters and I Dream of Jeannie are

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all there it's on my right if I walk

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over to my left it's the grand ballroom

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with all the stars past and present this

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is where the skeptic table is astronomy

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cast table the Center for inquiry are

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here just outside surly Amy the

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wonderful things

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so now I'm entering the Grand Ballroom

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as I did last year in here before to my

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right a lot of the characters from Star

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Trek The Next Generation we've got brent

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Spiner levar burton some people i don't

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know lots of people i don't know i guess

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they're stars of other TV shows and

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comic books or i don't not sure Peter

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Mayhew he's here he's the guy who paid

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chewbacca the wookie and the Star Wars

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serious lots of lots of fans coming to

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meet their heroes futurama table is the

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man over there really west who does a

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so I walk around the room who else is

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here Virginia hey from farscape she's an

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Australian Fraser Hines who played Jamie

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having a bite to eat lots of people

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milling about more Star Trek characters

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huge rod from buck rogers who else do we

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lost in space Marta Kristin and Mark got

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played Judy Robinson don't see them that

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their names are here anyway Avery Brooks

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Captain Sisko forearm Deep Space nine as

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various Doctor Who characters this gives

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fans the opportunity not only to buy

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autograph see it simply to come up and

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just chat with their with their favorite

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celebrity which is really cool in fact

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simply just chatting to a couple of

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people so I'll just leave the Grand

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we've got the skeptic table with lots of

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magazines sort of skeptic magazines and

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books by Michael Shermer and this sort

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of thing and there's some strange dude

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it's dr. atlantis hi good afternoon in

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australia wacko wacko he's rubbing it in

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because i slept in today dr. atlantis

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from the monster talk podcast correct

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that's correct and you're from what

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skeptic zap is that is that yeah that's

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how is your convention going it's been

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fantastic well and it's just been very

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rewarding I got a stoned with Brian

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Brian dunny that's what it was I'm a

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convention so yeah it's been fun so

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queue of people who formed to ask him

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what what is seen it's hard to describe

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steampunk steampunk is very popular very

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popular indeed and so many people

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books or TV shows or movies I haven't

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ever seen I have no clue they're wearing

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funny stripes and this that and the

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other and we're all left guessing what

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they are or what they represent as I

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just now outside the skeptics room the

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skip track room which has some talks

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skeptic room i'm pleased to say takes up

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three separate rooms all sort of merged

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there's super girl superwoman super girl

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it's about a noon so people are grabbing

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lowest section well I should say a lower

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all sorts of things it's a constant

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parade dragoncon almost 24 hours a day

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and three o'clock in the morning if you

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well dragon confer for the skeptic zone

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means a chance to catch up with our

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colleagues more or less i think take

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part in panels and talks which or which

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far and we've had our skeptic zone life

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for a chance for listeners to the

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skeptic zone from united states to come

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up and say hi to us which is really

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really a lot of fun well there goes our

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very tiring kids none stop believe me

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and what are the fabulous people we bump

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into here is yes grinning like a

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Cheshire cat it's Tracy king hello hello

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sir hello now you you seem to be always

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bobbing up at these events yeah I can't

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understand why I'm not gonna pull in a

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I always probably this isn't even on is

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it this is just you're just showing up

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um well I'm here I'm here and I'm doing

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duties here yes I'm not just your

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regular guy yes now tell us about Tam

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London this is very exciting it is very

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exciting because it last year was the

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first one and we didn't know how that

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will go anytime that's a huge success so

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this year we've managed to kind of come

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and we've got the most ridiculous lineup

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of speakers that's kind of nothing else

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usual it's not you know I mean there are

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incredible skeptical speakers there but

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are skeptical from the output don't

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usually do skeptical events so it's

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mainstream speakers and then tam

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everything you've never had that before

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naughty you know I don't know if we get

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that all the time now that's very

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exciting for everybody yes I'm very much

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looking forward to that and obviously

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storm which is the movie aren't

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producing Tim Minchin storm will be

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finished by then how exciting is I will

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show it in its entirety on the screen

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hopefully fabulous if you've got a big

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enough screen for us yeah and that and

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that'll be really nice because obviously

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so that'll be really exciting for people

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hopefully if they're like the movement

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in a car have you been to Australia

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before no I know I've always wanted to

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now you'll see what it's like it better

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be good how about that listeners what

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have you got why do you got home me not

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really excited about it free beer yeah

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i'm not i'm not a big drinker does that

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mean I'm not allowed in sorry don't

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worry will ply your vigilance stamp it

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with lightweight yeah I'm good with the

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butter with the vegetable now I'm really

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looking forward to I think that it's

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it's so amazing that tams are spreading

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and Australia I know has always had a

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huge really a bigger skeptical output

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than Britain has you know and I've

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always kind of watched footage of when

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Randy was in Australia so much stuff

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Australia it's always struck me as being

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you know there's quite a lot of

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skeptical programming perhaps not so

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much these days it did waffles it varies

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alright but at least you kind of you

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have that there seems to be a history of

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that and so I think it's perfect yeah

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we've had some we've had some success i

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must say what listeners who are coming

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to town australia you can meet tracy in

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person but before then where can people

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run with their fingers on the keyboards

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to visit your website i would recommend

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first port of call would be store movie

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dr. Mehta yes we're a little movie we

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put little bits of artwork and

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behind-the-scenes stuff up there every

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so often and also Tamland and dog if you

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fancy popping along in the next six

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weeks to London to to meet some

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luminaries and have a good time at the

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Brits um and also our blog for skeptic

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dog which is always worth visiting Thank

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I think they're right well some of the

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funny characters look at dressed up oh

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no they just just normally apart from

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the killer I suppose we've got dr.

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beggar hello hello and gender but narrow

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Jennifer hello Jennifer hi how are you

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doing I'm fine now this is I've been

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trying to explain to my listeners what

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dragoncon is like now look around us

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it's a passing parade isn't it never

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anything it is it's a 35,000 of your

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closest friends it really is isn't that

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fast and you this is your third year for

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this is my night through ninth year nice

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dragon con is fantastic donkey boy

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radford he's over here to its bed in

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redford don't talk to me talk to these

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important people it did it in water

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that's by 16 what makes 16 really yeah

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wow very must have seen a lot of changes

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yeah actually originally it was just in

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this one hotel way back in the day very

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small it's exploded yes we tried to get

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to the hill the hyatt yesterday we've

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done it would turn back to many people

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it's almost easier to go around outside

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the building's that's how we got back

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there you go and but now we have in the

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last few years we have the skeptical

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Alamo and the room behind us is almost

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full I think which is gonna be good this

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is part of dragoncon for the skeptics is

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another you go to the great panels and

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learn stuff and then you hang out yeah

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the like-minded people we've had some

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great conversations too and let me give

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a shout out to nyan tio tommy jax

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scanlon you're out there for sure yeah

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you did you come someday you'd love it

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jack

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so what but um what I love about this is

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that we can all there's not a there's no

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ego or agenda or anything like that we

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can all really get together share ideas

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and absolutely and while you're doing

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that you glance to the other side and

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you see the passing right now what's

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that character with a little like all

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the West with little devil wings scenes

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around here the cow a prophecy the Gulf

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southern yeah therefore coughing then

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there's a steampunk and there's a speed

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fun later going like yeah that's like

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Lord of the Rings just a little bit of

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everything yes but if everything

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actually I saw I saw some airline pilots

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last night I didn't know if they were

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real oh you haven't seen the of and I

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guess I'll be very not PC but the sexy

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korean store just convention that comes

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through here like like there is like a a

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just on our me like I'm talion of really

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really awesome fembot looking Korean

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stewardesses that come through every

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year engine starts right after this one

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so if you stay around the necks today

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there's a little bit convention this

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from from Korea naris fantastic I'll

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keep an eye out I'll kick know what are

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these carradine all space invaders it is

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awful something like that you will see

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officers from all the sims other sins a

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lot of Star Trek well that's half the

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battle is is you know trying to figure

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out just what the hell these people are

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sometimes it's obvious miss Harry Potter

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but then you're like you know you're

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that one that guy from that one movie in

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the 82 that yeah no matter how broadly

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experienced you think you are as a geek

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or a nerd there's someone who is like

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this guy for example the eye patch in

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the skin tight suit your white tape it

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this is going to clone trooper from Star

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Wars and a tiny little Jedi all of what

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five years old time yeah remember

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everything fantastic and it's just

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everyone being able to express

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themselves in a way that in daily in

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Norton normal society you just can't do

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this no room for it there's no room for

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a nine-foot-tall off his mom or a Mad

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Hatter right I like there's nothing but

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wow there's no there's no room for a Mad

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Hatter at your office job no like and I

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must take my head off to all the

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characters who dress up and then go

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outside in this heat oh yeah Wow shows

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are three and dedication seasonably cool

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it's still hot but it's it's a

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seasonably cool usually it's together

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this time of year well they're lucky I

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guess because I wouldn't want to walk

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down the street as a storm trooper and

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man how hard it can get it at lunch I

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want to walk across the room those are

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really but a lot of the people who is a

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mean this is one another aspect about

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Dragon Con is awesome you have people

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who are professionals and people are

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amateurs and they work together and so

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you get a lot of technological

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advancements in costume making where

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they have like for instance then people

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you see with halo costumes or with iron

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man costumes like they look really good

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like a real thing they tend to have like

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they didn't have like personal air

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conditioning systems underneath their

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shoes and how they can do it oh yeah

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some of them actually work in special

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effects or costuming for Hollywood so

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there's there's amateurs and there's

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professionals well that makes me feel

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better for some of these people walking

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by in the full outfit of what about

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right i saw one

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chewbacca last night oh very nice Wow

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will they go Supergirl again she's been

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wandering around a lot oh well I'm gonna

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go participate other con tradition which

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is waiting in line for coffee okay thank

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it's the last day of dragoncon monday

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labor day here in the United States and

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I'm here with dr. rates you dr. hu we

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found ourselves in one of the massive

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trading rooms we have and it's not as

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busy as it was yesterday which is that

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it's still pretty pretty busy on the

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last day of dragoncon there there are no

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end of our amazing paraphernalia

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t-shirts models there was big kit models

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of Tomb Raider over there Star Trek's

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everywhere all sorts of things to buy

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yeah and I noticed just off to the left

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here there's an author signing his books

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his name's Brandon Sanderson and he

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wrote some sort of sci-fi series as well

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so there's all kinds of stuff happening

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here today and we just had some good

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luck you came across the stand selling

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germs yeah the standards of giant

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microbes which of these sort of plush

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soft toys of different kinds of viruses

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bacteria and parasites and all kinds of

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shirts when you got there well the one

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I've got here Richard is called the pox

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but it's actually syphilis which is

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trippin i'ma pal pal a whole item

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treponema colada room so yeah it

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actually looks like a curled up quite a

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cute snake person does it it causes

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syphilis yeah fascinating we walk around

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the corner here still so many people

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here buying things all sorts of toys you

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can get from your favorite TV show I

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just picked up the complete Batman

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series on DVD yeah from the 1960s from

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the original master tapes apparently

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right and early MC we're also

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you know with our microbes we also

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bought pertussis yeah and measles all

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the set yeah we've got the set and the

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guy told us that if you buy six STDs you

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get penicillin for free leather seems to

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be quite popular and steampunk which is

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sort of Wild West meets technology sorts

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of leather and things your wrap around

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your head and it's quite something I

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mean I've never seen it outside of

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dragoncon though what steampunk yeah no

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I haven't either except on stage shows

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and stuff like that but it's incredibly

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popular of dragoncon mind you I think

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you'd want a cooler climate to really

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wear steampunk yeah I mean a lot of the

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clothes here yeah not really designed

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for blondie 115 degrees Fahrenheit yeah

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so most people stay in the hotels for

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that reason I think Richard I look at

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all these patches iron on patches we've

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got here in front of us what a

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collection Superman the flash Green

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Lantern Smallville lots of things I

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don't recognize all this Star Trek

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Captain America Wonder Woman

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endless endless array of really really

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top quality pine on patches but that's

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just a sort of thing that you would

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expect here at DragonCon it it attracts

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these sort of people who would love to

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wear these things yeah you know what I

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noticed and I observed this I made this

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observation to you before Richard that

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although there's a lot of sort of sci-fi

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stuff here and also some you know a lot

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of wizardry kind of things and some of

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the drawings that you might see with the

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dragons on the top of a mountain there's

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no woo here at all there's no room there

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is no isn't that interesting because

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there's no tarot readers as no not

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anything like that no and I'm I don't

537
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know whether I should be surprised by

538
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that I'm not but some of the stuff here

539
00:25:21,470 --> 00:25:19,690
does lend to that sort of maybe it's

540
00:25:24,300 --> 00:25:21,480
because we're so used to going to

541
00:25:26,970 --> 00:25:24,310
festivals which it's always rude but

542
00:25:28,170 --> 00:25:26,980
when we don't live it seems strange yeah

543
00:25:30,060 --> 00:25:28,180
but then some of the stuff here you

544
00:25:32,880 --> 00:25:30,070
would find it a wave festival yeah so

545
00:25:35,160 --> 00:25:32,890
the drawings of the the wall between a

546
00:25:38,670 --> 00:25:35,170
mystical kind of stuff earlier you know

547
00:25:41,550 --> 00:25:38,680
the statues of wizards and wolves and

548
00:25:43,230 --> 00:25:41,560
that's all maybe the average fantasy and

549
00:25:47,480 --> 00:25:43,240
science fiction fan has a better grasp

550
00:25:50,520 --> 00:25:47,490
of reality maybe they do let's hope so

551
00:25:52,680 --> 00:25:50,530
and of course one of the highlights for

552
00:25:55,529 --> 00:25:52,690
any skeptic coming to dragoncon is the

553
00:25:58,140 --> 00:25:55,539
chance to glimpse or even meet James

554
00:26:00,870 --> 00:25:58,150
Randi hi James hello very Richard GoM's

555
00:26:03,330 --> 00:26:00,880
good to see you thank you and this is I

556
00:26:05,370 --> 00:26:03,340
think your second dragoncon although you

557
00:26:08,789 --> 00:26:05,380
were here virtually last year virtually

558
00:26:10,560 --> 00:26:08,799
as I was in the hospital last year with

559
00:26:13,260 --> 00:26:10,570
tubes down my throat which rather

560
00:26:15,680 --> 00:26:13,270
inhibits their presence at conventions

561
00:26:17,820 --> 00:26:15,690
and things like this it's a remarkable

562
00:26:20,460 --> 00:26:17,830
event I must say this dragon Connor

563
00:26:22,260 --> 00:26:20,470
minutes ago walking spectacle walking

564
00:26:23,820 --> 00:26:22,270
sideshow all the time but it is a good

565
00:26:26,640 --> 00:26:23,830
opportunity for skeptics to get together

566
00:26:29,700 --> 00:26:26,650
oh it is indeed the fact that the

567
00:26:32,460 --> 00:26:29,710
skeptical presence at Dragon Con is so

568
00:26:34,919 --> 00:26:32,470
very pervasive and it is it's all over

569
00:26:36,539 --> 00:26:34,929
the place rather cheers me and I

570
00:26:38,310 --> 00:26:36,549
understand those standing room only for

571
00:26:39,960 --> 00:26:38,320
your talk was sitting room only awesome

572
00:26:42,210 --> 00:26:39,970
yeah it's talking a falling-down room

573
00:26:45,200 --> 00:26:42,220
all day yes and I got a standing ovation

574
00:26:49,470 --> 00:26:45,210
as well so I'm very proud of that but

575
00:26:52,250 --> 00:26:49,480
these people are just great dragoncon

576
00:26:55,740 --> 00:26:52,260
rules as far as I'm concerned these are

577
00:26:59,310 --> 00:26:55,750
generally speaking mystics who don't fit

578
00:27:02,520 --> 00:26:59,320
into society easily oh because of

579
00:27:05,940 --> 00:27:02,530
various problems that they might have or

580
00:27:08,610 --> 00:27:05,950
or whatever it's highly variable but

581
00:27:10,890 --> 00:27:08,620
they do fit here and they look forward

582
00:27:13,080 --> 00:27:10,900
I'm sure to this every year as I do

583
00:27:15,779 --> 00:27:13,090
because I'm a bit of a list of it myself

584
00:27:18,350 --> 00:27:15,789
yeah I just think you are too rigid in a

585
00:27:20,760 --> 00:27:18,360
way I think so yeah and no one is

586
00:27:22,860 --> 00:27:20,770
discriminated against here on sequence

587
00:27:25,080 --> 00:27:22,870
and everybody helps everyone else

588
00:27:27,419 --> 00:27:25,090
they're all very cooperative they're

589
00:27:29,399 --> 00:27:27,429
lovely folks and I'm very happy to be in

590
00:27:31,470 --> 00:27:29,409
this crowd well we look forward to

591
00:27:34,080 --> 00:27:31,480
seeing you very soon in Australia for

592
00:27:36,600 --> 00:27:34,090
that deal the first amazing meeting yes

593
00:27:38,700 --> 00:27:36,610
really how exciting the very except for

594
00:27:40,799 --> 00:27:38,710
two with great enthusiasm and I'll be

595
00:27:43,200 --> 00:27:40,809
rubbing shoulders with Dick Smith again

596
00:27:44,730 --> 00:27:43,210
now what else could a guy ask that's

597
00:27:47,520 --> 00:27:44,740
about that's that's the highest you can

598
00:27:49,440 --> 00:27:47,530
go on exactly I'm sure it is thank you

599
00:27:59,320 --> 00:27:49,450
James great pleasure Richard thank you

600
00:28:05,330 --> 00:28:02,660
hi i am Gavroche co-president of the

601
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Hungarian skeptics society this year we

602
00:28:09,650 --> 00:28:06,960
are organizing the 14th european

603
00:28:12,650 --> 00:28:09,660
skeptics congress it will be held in

604
00:28:15,890 --> 00:28:12,660
Budapest Hungary between 17 and 19 s of

605
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September in Europe skeptic groups has

606
00:28:21,200 --> 00:28:18,150
an umbrella organization the European

607
00:28:23,900 --> 00:28:21,210
Council of skeptical organizations XO it

608
00:28:25,970 --> 00:28:23,910
was founded 16 years ago in Ostend

609
00:28:28,270 --> 00:28:25,980
Belgium during the 6th annual congress

610
00:28:31,130 --> 00:28:28,280
of the european skeptical organizations

611
00:28:34,070 --> 00:28:31,140
currently 15 organizations are members

612
00:28:37,370 --> 00:28:34,080
of EXO EXO supports a bi-annual congress

613
00:28:39,260 --> 00:28:37,380
and the symposium every other year the

614
00:28:42,710 --> 00:28:39,270
first European skeptics congress was

615
00:28:45,440 --> 00:28:42,720
held 21 years ago in battles germany the

616
00:28:47,570 --> 00:28:45,450
last one in 2007 was organized by the

617
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irish skeptical society in dublin and

618
00:28:52,520 --> 00:28:49,530
this year the congress is held in

619
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budapest hungary between 17 and 19 s of

620
00:28:59,270 --> 00:28:54,990
sep tember check for detailed

621
00:29:01,070 --> 00:28:59,280
information at dub dub kappa tau there

622
00:29:03,260 --> 00:29:01,080
will be more than 20 lectures about

623
00:29:06,410 --> 00:29:03,270
alternative medicine the paranormal

624
00:29:09,020 --> 00:29:06,420
miracles and more lecturers include

625
00:29:12,230 --> 00:29:09,030
Simon Singh joe nickell massimo polidoro

626
00:29:14,870 --> 00:29:12,240
villain bets Christopher C French amar

627
00:29:16,940 --> 00:29:14,880
desh Sharma Michael heap Tim Cratchit

628
00:29:19,010 --> 00:29:16,950
and many more there will be lectures

629
00:29:21,770 --> 00:29:19,020
about a so Terry and pseudoscience in

630
00:29:24,410 --> 00:29:21,780
nowadays Hungary and Romania each Tuan

631
00:29:26,419 --> 00:29:24,420
vago a devoted skeptic who hosted the TV

632
00:29:28,220 --> 00:29:26,429
show Who Wants to Be a Millionaire in

633
00:29:30,410 --> 00:29:28,230
Hungary for eight consecutive years

634
00:29:32,810 --> 00:29:30,420
speaks about to the science and the

635
00:29:34,340 --> 00:29:32,820
media one of the main goals of the

636
00:29:36,380 --> 00:29:34,350
Congress is to strengthen the

637
00:29:39,110 --> 00:29:36,390
cooperation among the European skeptic

638
00:29:41,180 --> 00:29:39,120
organizations they face international

639
00:29:43,310 --> 00:29:41,190
challenges alternative medicine

640
00:29:45,799 --> 00:29:43,320
proponents are aggressively lobbying at

641
00:29:48,620 --> 00:29:45,809
Brussels and influence european union

642
00:29:50,750 --> 00:29:48,630
legislation rather effectively bogus

643
00:29:52,610 --> 00:29:50,760
products are marketed internationally

644
00:29:56,419 --> 00:29:52,620
and are using international references

645
00:30:00,140 --> 00:29:56,429
and certificates we skeptics should also

646
00:30:02,690 --> 00:30:00,150
work more internationally register for

647
00:30:04,250 --> 00:30:02,700
the congress a dub dub dub the skeptics

648
00:30:06,470 --> 00:30:04,260
that age you

649
00:30:08,450 --> 00:30:06,480
registration fee is only 30 euros of

650
00:30:10,430 --> 00:30:08,460
course we cannot cover all the

651
00:30:14,030 --> 00:30:10,440
organizational costs from these low fees

652
00:30:16,970 --> 00:30:14,040
we also accept donations you can pay and

653
00:30:18,920 --> 00:30:16,980
donate through paypal don't forget for

654
00:30:21,290 --> 00:30:18,930
teens European skeptics Congress in

655
00:30:28,130 --> 00:30:21,300
Hungary see you in Budapest dis

656
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September now it's time for dr. Richie

657
00:30:36,590 --> 00:30:33,840
reports with dr. Rachel Dunlop and I'm

658
00:30:39,350 --> 00:30:36,600
dr. H E and here we are at the free

659
00:30:41,960 --> 00:30:39,360
vaccine clinic at dragon con 2010 in

660
00:30:44,690 --> 00:30:41,970
Atlanta Georgia and i'm here with Bill

661
00:30:47,060 --> 00:30:44,700
Atkinson hello bill welcome to the

662
00:30:49,820 --> 00:30:47,070
skeptic zone what would you allow thank

663
00:30:51,800 --> 00:30:49,830
you very much now you are in

664
00:30:53,810 --> 00:30:51,810
immunization from the Centers for

665
00:30:56,600 --> 00:30:53,820
Disease Control the CDC it's great

666
00:30:59,360 --> 00:30:56,610
you're an MD with a master's in public

667
00:31:02,530 --> 00:30:59,370
health yes and you helped to set up the

668
00:31:04,460 --> 00:31:02,540
vaccine clinic here at Dragon Con yes

669
00:31:09,050 --> 00:31:04,470
can you tell me about your role in

670
00:31:11,300 --> 00:31:09,060
setting it up my job day-to-day is

671
00:31:17,300 --> 00:31:11,310
mainly training doctors and nurses how

672
00:31:20,300 --> 00:31:17,310
to get vaccines I met I met Maria

673
00:31:23,060 --> 00:31:20,310
Walters at tam and introduced myself and

674
00:31:26,000 --> 00:31:23,070
she remembered me when she got back here

675
00:31:29,120 --> 00:31:26,010
and initiated the idea of doing a

676
00:31:30,950 --> 00:31:29,130
program like this and I was the one who

677
00:31:32,810 --> 00:31:30,960
sort of knew the contacts who had the

678
00:31:34,430 --> 00:31:32,820
vaccine and the nurses and the skills to

679
00:31:36,020 --> 00:31:34,440
actually give it so I was sort of the

680
00:31:37,520 --> 00:31:36,030
intermediary between the people with the

681
00:31:39,950 --> 00:31:37,530
idea and the people who are doing the

682
00:31:42,890 --> 00:31:39,960
vaccinating right so at the city CEO

683
00:31:45,830 --> 00:31:42,900
role is in epidemiology immunization

684
00:31:48,350 --> 00:31:45,840
epidemiology or vaccine epidemiology yes

685
00:31:51,440 --> 00:31:48,360
I have in the past work in measles

686
00:31:53,270 --> 00:31:51,450
vaccine epidemiology and now I primarily

687
00:31:55,340 --> 00:31:53,280
try to train doctors and nurses about

688
00:31:56,690 --> 00:31:55,350
vaccine there's a lot of constant

689
00:31:59,810 --> 00:31:56,700
changes as you know and in the

690
00:32:01,700 --> 00:31:59,820
vaccination realm and so my job is to

691
00:32:04,400 --> 00:32:01,710
make sure that doctors and nurses in the

692
00:32:05,630 --> 00:32:04,410
US are kept up to date on what the new

693
00:32:07,490 --> 00:32:05,640
recommendations are and what they should

694
00:32:09,620 --> 00:32:07,500
be doing and there's a good reason why

695
00:32:11,660 --> 00:32:09,630
we are here today in the vaccine clinic

696
00:32:13,610 --> 00:32:11,670
at dragoncon there's currently an

697
00:32:15,320 --> 00:32:13,620
epidemic of whooping cough in California

698
00:32:16,640 --> 00:32:15,330
can you tell us a little bit about that

699
00:32:20,510 --> 00:32:16,650
we've already had deaths

700
00:32:22,700 --> 00:32:20,520
seven or eight young children how bad is

701
00:32:25,640 --> 00:32:22,710
that epidemic at the moment we've seen

702
00:32:27,710 --> 00:32:25,650
quite a lot of pertussis in in several

703
00:32:32,030 --> 00:32:27,720
states California being the most notable

704
00:32:34,580 --> 00:32:32,040
there have been 10 15 deaths countrywide

705
00:32:36,140 --> 00:32:34,590
what we're seeing is a lot of the cases

706
00:32:38,180 --> 00:32:36,150
have been in children but they're being

707
00:32:41,390 --> 00:32:38,190
affected by their parents and their

708
00:32:42,830 --> 00:32:41,400
siblings and their babysitter's so we

709
00:32:44,540 --> 00:32:42,840
thought this was a good idea here

710
00:32:45,980 --> 00:32:44,550
because this is a lot of the age of the

711
00:32:47,900 --> 00:32:45,990
people that may have children at home

712
00:32:50,330 --> 00:32:47,910
may have contacts with children at home

713
00:32:52,160 --> 00:32:50,340
and thought this was a very fertile area

714
00:32:54,620 --> 00:32:52,170
likely and a lot of these kids have not

715
00:32:56,630 --> 00:32:54,630
had pertussis vaccine before or at least

716
00:32:58,760 --> 00:32:56,640
recently and the thing is with the

717
00:33:00,920 --> 00:32:58,770
Petoskey spec seen it wears off after a

718
00:33:03,080 --> 00:33:00,930
number of years right so as an adult you

719
00:33:04,730 --> 00:33:03,090
need to get a booster because you can be

720
00:33:05,960 --> 00:33:04,740
a carrier but then you can pass it on to

721
00:33:07,580 --> 00:33:05,970
young children who are particularly

722
00:33:10,130 --> 00:33:07,590
susceptible is that right absolutely

723
00:33:11,750 --> 00:33:10,140
correct probably most of us got our last

724
00:33:14,030 --> 00:33:11,760
dose of pertussis vaccine when we were

725
00:33:16,520 --> 00:33:14,040
five or six and it's only been since

726
00:33:18,020 --> 00:33:16,530
2005 that we've had this new vaccine we

727
00:33:19,970 --> 00:33:18,030
could give to adolescents and adults so

728
00:33:21,470 --> 00:33:19,980
it's a relatively new vaccine and we

729
00:33:24,200 --> 00:33:21,480
hope it will make a big difference in

730
00:33:26,330 --> 00:33:24,210
put us both in the US and elsewhere as

731
00:33:27,800 --> 00:33:26,340
well so who is the most susceptible to

732
00:33:30,410 --> 00:33:27,810
pertussis we're talking about young kids

733
00:33:31,910 --> 00:33:30,420
but we're also talking about people with

734
00:33:34,460 --> 00:33:31,920
immune suppression are we what who are

735
00:33:36,770 --> 00:33:34,470
the people that are most at risk the

736
00:33:38,480 --> 00:33:36,780
most really anybody can be infected who

737
00:33:41,540 --> 00:33:38,490
hasn't been who hasn't been vaccinated

738
00:33:45,230 --> 00:33:41,550
recently adults because of our the size

739
00:33:46,880 --> 00:33:45,240
of our Airways tend to have fewer severe

740
00:33:49,190 --> 00:33:46,890
symptoms they could be pretty sick but

741
00:33:50,570 --> 00:33:49,200
it's mostly really young children who

742
00:33:52,550 --> 00:33:50,580
have the most severe disease because

743
00:33:54,620 --> 00:33:52,560
their Airways are very tiny and because

744
00:33:57,590 --> 00:33:54,630
they likely have not had all their doses

745
00:33:59,360 --> 00:33:57,600
of their pediatric childhood vaccine

746
00:34:01,280 --> 00:33:59,370
series yet so we worry most about

747
00:34:03,110 --> 00:34:01,290
children that's most likely to die most

748
00:34:05,270 --> 00:34:03,120
likely to have very severe illness but

749
00:34:07,010 --> 00:34:05,280
really any of us can can cough it on

750
00:34:08,419 --> 00:34:07,020
anybody else that we haven't if we

751
00:34:10,790 --> 00:34:08,429
haven't had a vaccine within a few years

752
00:34:12,710 --> 00:34:10,800
and how is it transmitted transmitted by

753
00:34:15,560 --> 00:34:12,720
by droplets by air with my respiratory

754
00:34:17,659 --> 00:34:15,570
droplets when people cough sneeze talk

755
00:34:20,540 --> 00:34:17,669
anything it's a very efficiently

756
00:34:22,780 --> 00:34:20,550
transmitted bacteria and it is it very

757
00:34:26,380 --> 00:34:22,790
easily transmitted from person to person

758
00:34:27,970 --> 00:34:26,390
so what what role do you think the low

759
00:34:30,430 --> 00:34:27,980
levels of vaccinations are having in

760
00:34:32,320 --> 00:34:30,440
this epidemic if any because I know that

761
00:34:35,320 --> 00:34:32,330
some people are now choosing not to

762
00:34:36,850 --> 00:34:35,330
vaccinate their children for all sorts

763
00:34:38,680 --> 00:34:36,860
of reasons but some of this is to do

764
00:34:40,240 --> 00:34:38,690
with the anti backs movement getting

765
00:34:42,130 --> 00:34:40,250
quite active in America we have the same

766
00:34:43,600 --> 00:34:42,140
problem in Australia do you think that's

767
00:34:45,970 --> 00:34:43,610
contributed all to these recent

768
00:34:48,909 --> 00:34:45,980
outbreaks it probably does I think

769
00:34:51,520 --> 00:34:48,919
probably the bigger problem that tends

770
00:34:53,110 --> 00:34:51,530
to be a fairly small proportion except

771
00:34:55,180 --> 00:34:53,120
they tend to cluster together folks who

772
00:34:56,710 --> 00:34:55,190
who haven't been vaccinated we think

773
00:34:58,960 --> 00:34:56,720
probably in the u.s. is not more than

774
00:35:01,000 --> 00:34:58,970
one or two percent of people but in some

775
00:35:02,530 --> 00:35:01,010
areas it can be much much higher than

776
00:35:05,440 --> 00:35:02,540
that because they sort of have

777
00:35:06,850 --> 00:35:05,450
communities if you will and but the

778
00:35:08,710 --> 00:35:06,860
biggest problem I think right now is the

779
00:35:10,870 --> 00:35:08,720
fact that most adults and adolescents

780
00:35:13,300 --> 00:35:10,880
have not had a dose of pertussis vaccine

781
00:35:15,430 --> 00:35:13,310
for so long so the kind of vaccine we're

782
00:35:17,620 --> 00:35:15,440
doing here is exactly i think what we

783
00:35:19,270 --> 00:35:17,630
need to do to raise the level of

784
00:35:20,770 --> 00:35:19,280
immunity in the population and help

785
00:35:22,720 --> 00:35:20,780
stomp out this outbreak we're having

786
00:35:25,390 --> 00:35:22,730
never so what's the response been like

787
00:35:26,710 --> 00:35:25,400
here in the clinic at dragoncon it's

788
00:35:28,000 --> 00:35:26,720
been very good we didn't really know

789
00:35:30,640 --> 00:35:28,010
what was going to happen is the first

790
00:35:32,200 --> 00:35:30,650
time this has been tried but we are

791
00:35:33,970 --> 00:35:32,210
probably going to use all our vaccine

792
00:35:35,650 --> 00:35:33,980
today we came with we came with a

793
00:35:37,360 --> 00:35:35,660
hundred doses yesterday gave almost all

794
00:35:38,920 --> 00:35:37,370
of them came with more than 100 today

795
00:35:41,170 --> 00:35:38,930
and it looks like we're going to

796
00:35:42,760 --> 00:35:41,180
probably give out all those too so it's

797
00:35:44,920 --> 00:35:42,770
actually been quite successful since we

798
00:35:47,380 --> 00:35:44,930
didn't really know what to suspect but

799
00:35:48,400 --> 00:35:47,390
the uptake has been very good yeah so

800
00:35:50,470 --> 00:35:48,410
we're very happy with the way it turned

801
00:35:51,760 --> 00:35:50,480
out and so what kind of people have you

802
00:35:54,310 --> 00:35:51,770
been vaccinating are you talking about

803
00:35:56,410 --> 00:35:54,320
the the people that you really want to

804
00:35:59,410 --> 00:35:56,420
target which is the adolescents and the

805
00:36:00,850 --> 00:35:59,420
young parents kind of what sort of

806
00:36:04,480 --> 00:36:00,860
demographic that's been coming has been

807
00:36:07,540 --> 00:36:04,490
it's been it looks like about half men

808
00:36:09,640 --> 00:36:07,550
and women about half of each and we have

809
00:36:11,110 --> 00:36:09,650
seen mostly it looks just we haven't

810
00:36:12,970 --> 00:36:11,120
actually crunched the numbers all yet

811
00:36:15,310 --> 00:36:12,980
but it looks like it's been people in

812
00:36:17,860 --> 00:36:15,320
their 30s 20s 30s and 40s it's who's

813
00:36:19,120 --> 00:36:17,870
exactly the folks that we were hoping to

814
00:36:21,880 --> 00:36:19,130
be able to vaccinate while we were here

815
00:36:22,900 --> 00:36:21,890
so I'm fascinated by this but the fact

816
00:36:24,280 --> 00:36:22,910
that you can actually do this bill

817
00:36:25,750 --> 00:36:24,290
because in Australia I don't know if

818
00:36:27,700 --> 00:36:25,760
it's that common that you can kind of I

819
00:36:29,860 --> 00:36:27,710
mean this was set up by the skeptics as

820
00:36:32,440 --> 00:36:29,870
you said Maria Walters and they rented

821
00:36:34,299 --> 00:36:32,450
out a shopfront and for the weekend and

822
00:36:37,239 --> 00:36:34,309
got you guys on board and

823
00:36:40,329 --> 00:36:37,249
terms of liability and health issues and

824
00:36:41,769 --> 00:36:40,339
stuff is that's already in place that in

825
00:36:43,599 --> 00:36:41,779
America to do that sort of thing is it

826
00:36:45,249 --> 00:36:43,609
it is we do a lot of that in public

827
00:36:48,069 --> 00:36:45,259
health in the United States and

828
00:36:49,749 --> 00:36:48,079
fortunately the state of Georgia and one

829
00:36:52,120 --> 00:36:49,759
of the local County Health Department's

830
00:36:56,410 --> 00:36:52,130
really have a lot of experience doing

831
00:36:58,630 --> 00:36:56,420
remote immunization operations they had

832
00:37:00,189 --> 00:36:58,640
a protocol set up they had the equipment

833
00:37:02,319 --> 00:37:00,199
and the people who are willing to come

834
00:37:04,929 --> 00:37:02,329
down and spend their weekend down here

835
00:37:07,420 --> 00:37:04,939
and volunteer so they we actually have a

836
00:37:08,920 --> 00:37:07,430
very good infrastructure we some places

837
00:37:11,319 --> 00:37:08,930
are better at doing that than others we

838
00:37:13,359 --> 00:37:11,329
got lucky we have a very good group here

839
00:37:15,519 --> 00:37:13,369
in the Atlanta area that was able to

840
00:37:17,319 --> 00:37:15,529
come out and do this for us and you see

841
00:37:18,910 --> 00:37:17,329
them sitting out back there behind us

842
00:37:20,439 --> 00:37:18,920
now and they'd been busy all day they're

843
00:37:22,179 --> 00:37:20,449
very busy at the moment but i noticed

844
00:37:24,880 --> 00:37:22,189
behind us also there's free HIV testing

845
00:37:28,059 --> 00:37:24,890
here how does she how do you conduct

846
00:37:30,489 --> 00:37:28,069
that it's actually a saliva test for

847
00:37:32,739 --> 00:37:30,499
antibodies and that was kind of an

848
00:37:34,929 --> 00:37:32,749
afterthought it turns out that the the

849
00:37:37,689 --> 00:37:34,939
folks doing the HIV testing work in the

850
00:37:39,910 --> 00:37:37,699
same office as the nurses back there

851
00:37:42,189 --> 00:37:39,920
doing the vaccinating so they it was

852
00:37:43,900 --> 00:37:42,199
word of mouth again kind of right place

853
00:37:45,219 --> 00:37:43,910
right time they said well we're going

854
00:37:47,039 --> 00:37:45,229
down would you like to come with us and

855
00:37:50,410 --> 00:37:47,049
there may be some high-risk folks there

856
00:37:52,120 --> 00:37:50,420
lots of tattoos lots of things and yeah

857
00:37:53,559 --> 00:37:52,130
and they thought good opportunity to do

858
00:37:54,910 --> 00:37:53,569
this and really they've had a good

859
00:37:56,890 --> 00:37:54,920
response even though we didn't really

860
00:37:59,140 --> 00:37:56,900
advertise this at all they just kind of

861
00:38:01,509 --> 00:37:59,150
came and set up shopping we just kind of

862
00:38:03,880 --> 00:38:01,519
let it run so what about the counseling

863
00:38:07,719 --> 00:38:03,890
sort of aspect of the HIV testing do you

864
00:38:10,120 --> 00:38:07,729
get a result right here or do you send

865
00:38:12,249 --> 00:38:10,130
that test away and then it's done all it

866
00:38:14,469 --> 00:38:12,259
takes 20 minutes it's all done right on

867
00:38:17,289 --> 00:38:14,479
the spot we ask the person to come back

868
00:38:18,969 --> 00:38:17,299
we won't email it or anything we want to

869
00:38:21,370 --> 00:38:18,979
come back and be able to counsel them as

870
00:38:23,829 --> 00:38:21,380
to what the results mean we interesting

871
00:38:25,870 --> 00:38:23,839
they are using the dressing rooms for

872
00:38:27,519 --> 00:38:25,880
our little counseling offices oh I say

873
00:38:29,349 --> 00:38:27,529
right yeah when getting out of those

874
00:38:31,660 --> 00:38:29,359
little rooms this was a former clothing

875
00:38:33,579 --> 00:38:31,670
store I say and they've been using the

876
00:38:36,039 --> 00:38:33,589
the dressing rooms as the counseling

877
00:38:38,169 --> 00:38:36,049
rooms so I say the results for the HIV

878
00:38:40,029 --> 00:38:38,179
are given in the dressing room and right

879
00:38:42,189 --> 00:38:40,039
yeah right here 20 minutes interesting

880
00:38:43,840 --> 00:38:42,199
interesting well thank you so much bill

881
00:38:46,060 --> 00:38:43,850
for joining us today what

882
00:38:47,740 --> 00:38:46,070
I think this is a fantastic initiative I

883
00:38:49,150 --> 00:38:47,750
don't know if we have anything like this

884
00:38:50,770 --> 00:38:49,160
in Australia I wish we could have

885
00:38:52,180 --> 00:38:50,780
something like this I don't know if you

886
00:38:54,610 --> 00:38:52,190
know but we've had measles outbreaks

887
00:38:57,340 --> 00:38:54,620
recently and we've had australia-wide

888
00:38:59,680 --> 00:38:57,350
we've had pertussis epidemics as well so

889
00:39:01,150 --> 00:38:59,690
we have similar problems to America in

890
00:39:03,250 --> 00:39:01,160
that sense I think this is a great thing

891
00:39:06,460 --> 00:39:03,260
to do great thanks for joining us today

892
00:39:09,370 --> 00:39:06,470
you're welcome and now I'm talking to

893
00:39:11,800 --> 00:39:09,380
Brian Anders hello Brian and also met

894
00:39:14,410 --> 00:39:11,810
Larry hi Matt how are you now Matt you

895
00:39:16,210 --> 00:39:14,420
are involved setting up the free vaccine

896
00:39:19,810 --> 00:39:16,220
clinic tell me what was your role in

897
00:39:21,850 --> 00:39:19,820
setting this up well Brian and I are

898
00:39:23,920 --> 00:39:21,860
here as a as representatives for the

899
00:39:27,310 --> 00:39:23,930
women think thinking free foundation and

900
00:39:28,960 --> 00:39:27,320
that's a that's a group that has gotten

901
00:39:31,090 --> 00:39:28,970
started within the last few months to

902
00:39:33,850 --> 00:39:31,100
promote skepticism critical thinking

903
00:39:35,170 --> 00:39:33,860
among young parents young women and so

904
00:39:37,840 --> 00:39:35,180
on and so forth we thought what better

905
00:39:40,810 --> 00:39:37,850
way to to help out at DragonCon than to

906
00:39:42,670 --> 00:39:40,820
get this vaccination clinic working my

907
00:39:44,500 --> 00:39:42,680
specific role besides you know being

908
00:39:47,500 --> 00:39:44,510
behind the counter being hands-on and

909
00:39:50,800 --> 00:39:47,510
helping out I helped write a copy for

910
00:39:52,480 --> 00:39:50,810
our brochure and now this is really key

911
00:39:54,700 --> 00:39:52,490
can you just hold that up yeah this is

912
00:39:56,320 --> 00:39:54,710
the logo yeah I kept inning yeah I can

913
00:39:58,450 --> 00:39:56,330
vaccinate it yeah I can't take credit

914
00:40:00,190 --> 00:39:58,460
for that that was a Lisa Andrews idea or

915
00:40:02,830 --> 00:40:00,200
who was up saying yes certainly Amy's

916
00:40:05,260 --> 00:40:02,840
run with the actual logo for her but

917
00:40:07,740 --> 00:40:05,270
exciting a lot of us were involved in

918
00:40:11,460 --> 00:40:07,750
writing the copy for this and so on

919
00:40:13,710 --> 00:40:11,470
and then we are here just basically

920
00:40:16,130 --> 00:40:13,720
being present as representatives of

921
00:40:18,300 --> 00:40:16,140
women thinking free foundation and

922
00:40:20,520 --> 00:40:18,310
helping answer people's questions and

923
00:40:21,690 --> 00:40:20,530
getting literature handed out and so on

924
00:40:24,660 --> 00:40:21,700
we're hoping to make this a regular

925
00:40:28,170 --> 00:40:24,670
thing at Dragon Con Wow so Brian your

926
00:40:29,700 --> 00:40:28,180
lovely wife Elise is not able to be here

927
00:40:31,740 --> 00:40:29,710
this weekend because you just had

928
00:40:33,870 --> 00:40:31,750
another baby haven't you yes and because

929
00:40:35,400 --> 00:40:33,880
of the risk of pertussis she isn't

930
00:40:38,070 --> 00:40:35,410
wasn't able to come can you tell us a

931
00:40:39,900 --> 00:40:38,080
little bit about that yes our our

932
00:40:42,840 --> 00:40:39,910
youngest daughter Delaney is three

933
00:40:44,400 --> 00:40:42,850
months old and she felt it was in her

934
00:40:47,160 --> 00:40:44,410
best interest not to bring her into a

935
00:40:49,760 --> 00:40:47,170
situation where she's exposed to a lot

936
00:40:52,830 --> 00:40:49,770
of people we've actually been very

937
00:40:55,890 --> 00:40:52,840
cautious with how we're letting her be

938
00:40:57,720 --> 00:40:55,900
exposed to general population and even

939
00:41:01,080 --> 00:40:57,730
family wiser keeping it to smaller

940
00:41:04,620 --> 00:41:01,090
family events so that she's not catching

941
00:41:06,240 --> 00:41:04,630
anything so Lisa's this has been her

942
00:41:07,680 --> 00:41:06,250
mission for about two years he's been

943
00:41:09,840 --> 00:41:07,690
trying to launch the whole hug me

944
00:41:12,840 --> 00:41:09,850
campaign and it just it finally all came

945
00:41:15,480 --> 00:41:12,850
together thanks to just the last year of

946
00:41:18,630 --> 00:41:15,490
success we've had with the moon thinking

947
00:41:20,670 --> 00:41:18,640
free foundation yeah it's such a

948
00:41:22,830 --> 00:41:20,680
fantastic idea and so obviously you've

949
00:41:24,240 --> 00:41:22,840
got the cdc involved you guys aren't

950
00:41:27,060 --> 00:41:24,250
giving the vaccinations right we've got

951
00:41:29,940 --> 00:41:27,070
qualified health professionals on site

952
00:41:32,550 --> 00:41:29,950
to do this so how did you how did you

953
00:41:34,440 --> 00:41:32,560
get them involved oh well actually it

954
00:41:36,780 --> 00:41:34,450
was real that was Maria yeah Maria

955
00:41:39,090 --> 00:41:36,790
Walters from skeptic and at least know

956
00:41:41,370 --> 00:41:39,100
each other very well so when we really

957
00:41:42,960 --> 00:41:41,380
started to get rolling with the idea at

958
00:41:45,810 --> 00:41:42,970
least talk to Maria and since Maria was

959
00:41:49,230 --> 00:41:45,820
here in Atlanta she had contacts with

960
00:41:50,970 --> 00:41:49,240
the CDC and she talked to a bill and

961
00:41:53,040 --> 00:41:50,980
some other people and

962
00:41:54,840 --> 00:41:53,050
they got it all hooked up so that's how

963
00:41:56,609 --> 00:41:54,850
I work yeah so I believe you're probably

964
00:41:58,710 --> 00:41:56,619
going to run out of vaccines today bill

965
00:42:00,180 --> 00:41:58,720
says he'd bought up a hundred for today

966
00:42:03,720 --> 00:42:00,190
and they've already used something like

967
00:42:05,370 --> 00:42:03,730
85 so that's good that's that's good

968
00:42:06,720 --> 00:42:05,380
news editor and they said they can run

969
00:42:08,310 --> 00:42:06,730
and go get more in that would be a good

970
00:42:09,750 --> 00:42:08,320
problem to have yeah don't be awesome

971
00:42:11,700 --> 00:42:09,760
because they would exceed our

972
00:42:13,170 --> 00:42:11,710
expectations I mean this is just you

973
00:42:16,200 --> 00:42:13,180
yeah it was explaining to us yesterday

974
00:42:17,910 --> 00:42:16,210
that zeerid that in events like this

975
00:42:20,190 --> 00:42:17,920
it's not uncommon to walk away with

976
00:42:23,400 --> 00:42:20,200
nobody getting vaccinated and family yes

977
00:42:26,490 --> 00:42:23,410
and for the the fact that we are using

978
00:42:29,280 --> 00:42:26,500
up our supply is just astounding so it's

979
00:42:32,010 --> 00:42:29,290
it's a credit to not just the people who

980
00:42:34,200 --> 00:42:32,020
work in the foundation in Chicago but to

981
00:42:36,210 --> 00:42:34,210
just getting the word out and all the

982
00:42:39,000 --> 00:42:36,220
skeptics coming together and just just

983
00:42:40,770 --> 00:42:39,010
spreading the word and helping us you

984
00:42:42,510 --> 00:42:40,780
know launch this if it's been absolutely

985
00:42:45,690 --> 00:42:42,520
wonderful we've gotten a huge amount of

986
00:42:47,940 --> 00:42:45,700
support from just all kinds of folks to

987
00:42:49,770 --> 00:42:47,950
get the word out about this and it's

988
00:42:51,090 --> 00:42:49,780
been wonderful but it's true that

989
00:42:52,710 --> 00:42:51,100
there's not just skeptics here right i

990
00:42:54,359 --> 00:42:52,720
mean there's something like 50,000

991
00:42:55,950 --> 00:42:54,369
people here i guess you're getting

992
00:42:57,270 --> 00:42:55,960
people coming through the door he you

993
00:43:00,060 --> 00:42:57,280
don't know all of them there's there's

994
00:43:01,349 --> 00:43:00,070
just strangers as well yeah we've had a

995
00:43:02,910 --> 00:43:01,359
lot of people who have just been

996
00:43:04,980 --> 00:43:02,920
complete strangers coming in because

997
00:43:07,920 --> 00:43:04,990
they've heard by word of mouth or

998
00:43:10,050 --> 00:43:07,930
they've seen the posters or or they've

999
00:43:12,000 --> 00:43:10,060
seen the stickers and and that's that's

1000
00:43:15,090 --> 00:43:12,010
what we want we want to get as many

1001
00:43:16,859 --> 00:43:15,100
people to come as possible I i think the

1002
00:43:19,230 --> 00:43:16,869
posters that Jill Powell put together

1003
00:43:20,670 --> 00:43:19,240
have been a huge influence I believe me

1004
00:43:22,560 --> 00:43:20,680
we've had people just standing out there

1005
00:43:25,080 --> 00:43:22,570
reading them and I think it's the

1006
00:43:28,020 --> 00:43:25,090
pictures that are drying them in and it

1007
00:43:30,150 --> 00:43:28,030
was just a fantastic combination and

1008
00:43:32,400 --> 00:43:30,160
helping launch this the pictures are of

1009
00:43:35,670 --> 00:43:32,410
sort of characters from science fiction

1010
00:43:36,849 --> 00:43:35,680
right yes yeah we have Princess Leia of

1011
00:43:39,079 --> 00:43:36,859
dr. mercola

1012
00:43:40,519 --> 00:43:39,089
Starbuck from Battlestar Galactica and

1013
00:43:42,499 --> 00:43:40,529
the really great thing about this is is

1014
00:43:44,839 --> 00:43:42,509
even even if they walk by even if they

1015
00:43:46,640 --> 00:43:44,849
do not come in to get the vaccination

1016
00:43:47,569 --> 00:43:46,650
they're stopping in there reading us so

1017
00:43:48,739 --> 00:43:47,579
they're still getting the information

1018
00:43:50,299 --> 00:43:48,749
they're still getting they're still

1019
00:43:51,380 --> 00:43:50,309
learning that wow whooping cough is

1020
00:43:52,729 --> 00:43:51,390
coming back and it could be a really

1021
00:43:56,089 --> 00:43:52,739
serious thing they actually go talk to

1022
00:43:57,499 --> 00:43:56,099
my doctor so it's it's it's spreading

1023
00:43:59,450 --> 00:43:57,509
the word in more ways than just getting

1024
00:44:02,269 --> 00:43:59,460
some people come in here for them for

1025
00:44:04,759 --> 00:44:02,279
them for the shot yeah well thanks very

1026
00:44:06,319 --> 00:44:04,769
much Brian and Matt for joining us today

1027
00:44:08,059 --> 00:44:06,329
on the skeptic zone and I think this is

1028
00:44:10,880 --> 00:44:08,069
a wonderful initiative and I wish you

1029
00:44:26,630 --> 00:44:10,890
all success in future vaccine clinics

1030
00:44:28,779 --> 00:44:26,640
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1031
00:44:31,069 --> 00:44:28,789
Rochelle hosted skeptically speaking

1032
00:44:33,589 --> 00:44:31,079
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1033
00:44:37,880 --> 00:44:33,599
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1034
00:44:46,489 --> 00:44:37,890
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1035
00:44:49,519 --> 00:44:46,499
I now return you to the skeptic zone dr.

1036
00:44:52,069 --> 00:44:49,529
Phil Plait PhD is no stranger to the

1037
00:44:54,380 --> 00:44:52,079
skeptic zone or fans of skepticism

1038
00:44:57,950 --> 00:44:54,390
worldwide he is a renowned astronomer

1039
00:45:04,759 --> 00:44:57,960
and now he stars in his own TV series

1040
00:45:08,269 --> 00:45:04,769
Phil plates bad universe I'm sitting

1041
00:45:11,209 --> 00:45:08,279
here in Bad Astronomy central gazing

1042
00:45:13,009 --> 00:45:11,219
over to the screen of dr. Phil played

1043
00:45:15,819 --> 00:45:13,019
with a beautiful picture or a moody

1044
00:45:19,459 --> 00:45:15,829
picture you were saying of Saturn Phil

1045
00:45:21,349 --> 00:45:19,469
yeah it's as we're speaking there was a

1046
00:45:23,079 --> 00:45:21,359
new picture released there were pictures

1047
00:45:25,549 --> 00:45:23,089
released all the time from Saturn

1048
00:45:27,859 --> 00:45:25,559
Carolyn Porco who is the team leader for

1049
00:45:30,049 --> 00:45:27,869
a Cassini imaging the probe that's

1050
00:45:32,539 --> 00:45:30,059
orbiting Saturn right now is on Twitter

1051
00:45:33,709 --> 00:45:32,549
and she will occasionally say Oh take a

1052
00:45:35,239 --> 00:45:33,719
look at this here's a nice picture of

1053
00:45:37,219 --> 00:45:35,249
Titan or here's a picture of the Rings

1054
00:45:38,749 --> 00:45:37,229
or whatever and she said here's an

1055
00:45:41,120 --> 00:45:38,759
incredible picture of Saturn's rings

1056
00:45:42,140 --> 00:45:41,130
with four moons and I clicked on it and

1057
00:45:45,410 --> 00:45:42,150
it's this really it's this really

1058
00:45:46,640 --> 00:45:45,420
beautiful wide shot of a crescent Saturn

1059
00:45:49,250 --> 00:45:46,650
which we can't see from the earth

1060
00:45:51,080 --> 00:45:49,260
because you have to be off to the side

1061
00:45:52,700 --> 00:45:51,090
and the earth is always between Saturn

1062
00:45:54,200 --> 00:45:52,710
and the Sun because we're we're really

1063
00:45:56,480 --> 00:45:54,210
close to the Sun Saturn's really far

1064
00:45:57,740 --> 00:45:56,490
away we can't get off to Saturn side

1065
00:45:59,990 --> 00:45:57,750
here on earth you have to send a space

1066
00:46:03,110 --> 00:46:00,000
probe to do that I say you've got this

1067
00:46:05,360 --> 00:46:03,120
beautiful crescent Saturn and it was

1068
00:46:07,100 --> 00:46:05,370
taken with a filter that picks out

1069
00:46:09,140 --> 00:46:07,110
methane in the atmosphere of the planet

1070
00:46:11,300 --> 00:46:09,150
and it makes the picture look a little

1071
00:46:13,400 --> 00:46:11,310
funny and I remember I was this morning

1072
00:46:15,320 --> 00:46:13,410
when when Carolyn tweeted the the image

1073
00:46:16,820 --> 00:46:15,330
and I looked at it and I was taken I

1074
00:46:18,830 --> 00:46:16,830
wasn't interesting the picture shadow is

1075
00:46:20,030 --> 00:46:18,840
a little weird within a minute somebody

1076
00:46:21,470 --> 00:46:20,040
had tweeted me and said why does the

1077
00:46:23,660 --> 00:46:21,480
shadow it look weird and I thought well

1078
00:46:27,020 --> 00:46:23,670
maybe I should look into this for us

1079
00:46:29,300 --> 00:46:27,030
shadows actually seems to be it's not

1080
00:46:30,740 --> 00:46:29,310
cold old dipping dimple is that you know

1081
00:46:34,040 --> 00:46:30,750
when you see when you look at a crescent

1082
00:46:35,570 --> 00:46:34,050
moon the Crescent the curved shadow what

1083
00:46:37,280 --> 00:46:35,580
you're seeing is that is that is the

1084
00:46:39,050 --> 00:46:37,290
line between day and night on the moon

1085
00:46:41,720 --> 00:46:39,060
yeah it's the same on Saturn and you

1086
00:46:44,840 --> 00:46:41,730
expect that to be a nice smooth curve

1087
00:46:46,490 --> 00:46:44,850
because the planet is roughly a sphere

1088
00:46:49,610 --> 00:46:46,500
and it's not right in the middle there's

1089
00:46:53,090 --> 00:46:49,620
a huge dip and it's almost like a very

1090
00:46:54,710 --> 00:46:53,100
broad smooth em on its side I it's hard

1091
00:46:57,050 --> 00:46:54,720
to explain explain you have to see the

1092
00:46:58,640 --> 00:46:57,060
picture but I kind of figured right away

1093
00:47:00,050 --> 00:46:58,650
that must have to do with the the

1094
00:47:02,150 --> 00:47:00,060
methane in the atmosphere and it absorbs

1095
00:47:03,680 --> 00:47:02,160
light and so you're seeing things a

1096
00:47:05,570 --> 00:47:03,690
little bit differently and in fact it's

1097
00:47:07,940 --> 00:47:05,580
the same thing on the moon when you look

1098
00:47:09,710 --> 00:47:07,950
at the terminator this line between day

1099
00:47:10,700 --> 00:47:09,720
night on the moon it looks smooth to

1100
00:47:12,860 --> 00:47:10,710
your eye but you pull out a pair of

1101
00:47:14,420 --> 00:47:12,870
binoculars or telescope and it's bumpy

1102
00:47:16,100 --> 00:47:14,430
and wiggly because the moon isn't a

1103
00:47:18,320 --> 00:47:16,110
perfect sphere it's got craters and

1104
00:47:20,660 --> 00:47:18,330
mountains and things that break up that

1105
00:47:21,800 --> 00:47:20,670
so you can imagine a sunset is you're

1106
00:47:23,540 --> 00:47:21,810
standing on the ground the Sun might

1107
00:47:25,100 --> 00:47:23,550
already be set but if you're standing on

1108
00:47:27,680 --> 00:47:25,110
a mountain top you're up higher you can

1109
00:47:30,080 --> 00:47:27,690
still see the Sun so irregularities in

1110
00:47:32,060 --> 00:47:30,090
the surface change the shadow and that's

1111
00:47:33,830 --> 00:47:32,070
what's going on here of guessing that

1112
00:47:36,650 --> 00:47:33,840
we're seeing cloud tops at different

1113
00:47:38,090 --> 00:47:36,660
heights above Saturn's average size and

1114
00:47:40,790 --> 00:47:38,100
some of them are still catching sunlight

1115
00:47:43,220 --> 00:47:40,800
some art screw it up the kresson and you

1116
00:47:45,350 --> 00:47:43,230
get that effect there is dramatic now if

1117
00:47:46,790 --> 00:47:45,360
people are sitting by their computers at

1118
00:47:48,890 --> 00:47:46,800
the moment Phil what is this site you're

1119
00:47:50,810 --> 00:47:48,900
using to study all these pictures well

1120
00:47:54,020 --> 00:47:50,820
if you if you just look for carolyn

1121
00:47:58,070 --> 00:47:54,030
porco VOR CEO on the web you'll find ur

1122
00:48:00,830 --> 00:47:58,080
but this is the Cassini raw data

1123
00:48:02,279 --> 00:48:00,840
database it's just images that they come

1124
00:48:03,269 --> 00:48:02,289
down from the machine they from the

1125
00:48:08,999 --> 00:48:03,279
space probe they stick and write in

1126
00:48:11,039 --> 00:48:09,009
database and it's Saturn JPL nasa gov so

1127
00:48:14,789 --> 00:48:11,049
Saturn the planet JPL is Jet Propulsion

1128
00:48:16,799 --> 00:48:14,799
Laboratory and then NASA gov and you'll

1129
00:48:18,659 --> 00:48:16,809
see that there is a raw image archive

1130
00:48:20,609 --> 00:48:18,669
and you can go in there and type you

1131
00:48:23,189 --> 00:48:20,619
know show me wide angle shots of Saturn

1132
00:48:25,019 --> 00:48:23,199
taking on for example in this case if

1133
00:48:28,559 --> 00:48:25,029
you set the search parameters for july

1134
00:48:30,509 --> 00:48:28,569
seventeenth 2010 and you look for wide

1135
00:48:32,309 --> 00:48:30,519
angle shots of Saturn BAM these will

1136
00:48:34,829 --> 00:48:32,319
come up and you'll see that some of them

1137
00:48:36,269 --> 00:48:34,839
are very odd-looking and they have

1138
00:48:39,120 --> 00:48:36,279
different filters which is different

1139
00:48:41,099 --> 00:48:39,130
they respond differently to methane some

1140
00:48:42,479 --> 00:48:41,109
of them methane absorbs a little bit of

1141
00:48:44,549 --> 00:48:42,489
light in that that color some of it

1142
00:48:45,809 --> 00:48:44,559
absorbs a huge amount and the one we're

1143
00:48:47,489 --> 00:48:45,819
looking at here is where methane is

1144
00:48:49,949 --> 00:48:47,499
really strongly absorbing and so you get

1145
00:48:51,659 --> 00:48:49,959
these really dramatic features on the

1146
00:48:52,829 --> 00:48:51,669
pond the planets well the cloud tops I

1147
00:48:55,079 --> 00:48:52,839
was going to say the surface that's me

1148
00:48:57,539 --> 00:48:55,089
it's a big old gas giant planet you're

1149
00:48:59,009 --> 00:48:57,549
not seeing a surface and you really see

1150
00:49:00,900 --> 00:48:59,019
the storm bands and all that stuff is

1151
00:49:02,999 --> 00:49:00,910
totally I would like you definitely see

1152
00:49:04,979 --> 00:49:03,009
a wonderful just to the right of the

1153
00:49:06,959 --> 00:49:04,989
ring there that's incredible dip which

1154
00:49:08,429 --> 00:49:06,969
must be a gigantic storm right near the

1155
00:49:09,809 --> 00:49:08,439
equator something going on I you

1156
00:49:11,159 --> 00:49:09,819
actually don't understand how all that

1157
00:49:13,559 --> 00:49:11,169
stuff works i'm not a planetary

1158
00:49:15,299 --> 00:49:13,569
scientist and so it's funny i'll post

1159
00:49:16,979 --> 00:49:15,309
these pictures and this one's beautiful

1160
00:49:19,319 --> 00:49:16,989
as you can see Titan you can see the

1161
00:49:20,309 --> 00:49:19,329
mood teeth us in there or thethe this I

1162
00:49:22,169 --> 00:49:20,319
don't know how to pronounce all these

1163
00:49:24,209 --> 00:49:22,179
some did there's get causal to confuse

1164
00:49:26,909 --> 00:49:24,219
and all these all these words all these

1165
00:49:28,559 --> 00:49:26,919
Greek moon names and everything but i'll

1166
00:49:30,029 --> 00:49:28,569
post something i posted some of the

1167
00:49:31,439 --> 00:49:30,039
other day saying oh look at this picture

1168
00:49:33,299 --> 00:49:31,449
of the rings and you can't really see

1169
00:49:35,789 --> 00:49:33,309
what's going on here and i got an email

1170
00:49:37,890 --> 00:49:35,799
from a friend says oh actually you can

1171
00:49:39,599 --> 00:49:37,900
see what's going on here if you're

1172
00:49:41,309 --> 00:49:39,609
trained to do it so it comes to these

1173
00:49:43,769 --> 00:49:41,319
pictures on you know i'm a scientist and

1174
00:49:45,120 --> 00:49:43,779
i can puzzle a few things out but when

1175
00:49:46,769 --> 00:49:45,130
it comes to the details i don't know

1176
00:49:49,229 --> 00:49:46,779
well what's going it's a good argument

1177
00:49:51,419 --> 00:49:49,239
it's a good case that scientists need to

1178
00:49:52,919 --> 00:49:51,429
specialize because oh absolutely your

1179
00:49:54,359 --> 00:49:52,929
specialist in your field but once you

1180
00:49:56,459 --> 00:49:54,369
see something like this which isn't

1181
00:49:58,289 --> 00:49:56,469
quite your field you have to run to the

1182
00:50:00,630 --> 00:49:58,299
people to know more about it sure and

1183
00:50:02,219 --> 00:50:00,640
there are times i don't and then you

1184
00:50:03,749 --> 00:50:02,229
know I wind up saying something is wrong

1185
00:50:05,880 --> 00:50:03,759
and I did corrected that's happened

1186
00:50:07,679 --> 00:50:05,890
several times with Saturn things I

1187
00:50:09,749 --> 00:50:07,689
thought I knew and I was totally wrong

1188
00:50:11,039 --> 00:50:09,759
and it's funny these these a lot of

1189
00:50:11,569 --> 00:50:11,049
these pictures I know how digital

1190
00:50:13,249 --> 00:50:11,579
imagery

1191
00:50:15,680 --> 00:50:13,259
works i worked on I did that for Hubble

1192
00:50:17,329 --> 00:50:15,690
for a decade.the these different filters

1193
00:50:19,459 --> 00:50:17,339
that they use I know how that works

1194
00:50:21,410 --> 00:50:19,469
really well so when I saw the picture I

1195
00:50:23,089 --> 00:50:21,420
knew almost right away what was going on

1196
00:50:24,739 --> 00:50:23,099
I just had to confirm it I did we did

1197
00:50:25,819 --> 00:50:24,749
yeah well you confirmed it right when I

1198
00:50:28,670 --> 00:50:25,829
was sitting here you went for another

1199
00:50:30,829 --> 00:50:28,680
shot of another another angle of the

1200
00:50:32,299 --> 00:50:30,839
planet and you could confirm your or

1201
00:50:34,219 --> 00:50:32,309
less that's what was going on well I

1202
00:50:35,930 --> 00:50:34,229
made a prediction as if this is caused

1203
00:50:37,849 --> 00:50:35,940
by methane absorption then there's

1204
00:50:39,769 --> 00:50:37,859
another filter which shows that more

1205
00:50:41,959 --> 00:50:39,779
strongly we should see the feature even

1206
00:50:43,130 --> 00:50:41,969
more obviously pop that up and that's

1207
00:50:44,449 --> 00:50:43,140
what we're looking at now and now that

1208
00:50:47,690 --> 00:50:44,459
dip in the middle of the Crescent is

1209
00:50:50,809 --> 00:50:47,700
incredibly obvious so I my prediction

1210
00:50:52,609 --> 00:50:50,819
was supported and I don't I don't know

1211
00:50:53,839 --> 00:50:52,619
if I'm right but it lends credence to

1212
00:50:55,579 --> 00:50:53,849
the phone yeah I was writing this is due

1213
00:50:58,160 --> 00:50:55,589
to methane it's something you can

1214
00:50:59,269 --> 00:50:58,170
explore from here on in right and I

1215
00:51:00,529 --> 00:50:59,279
would have to I'd have to figure out

1216
00:51:02,029 --> 00:51:00,539
what you were the one who said you

1217
00:51:02,839 --> 00:51:02,039
should look at it at different well you

1218
00:51:04,099 --> 00:51:02,849
know what it would look like in a

1219
00:51:05,569 --> 00:51:04,109
different user and I thought it was sure

1220
00:51:07,400 --> 00:51:05,579
yeah and so there are other ways we

1221
00:51:08,839 --> 00:51:07,410
could try to work this out but the best

1222
00:51:10,640 --> 00:51:08,849
way in this case would be to talk to an

1223
00:51:12,589 --> 00:51:10,650
expert yeah I hate to argue from

1224
00:51:14,660 --> 00:51:12,599
authority but on the other hand you know

1225
00:51:17,209 --> 00:51:14,670
Carolyn or my friend Emily lock dawala

1226
00:51:19,249 --> 00:51:17,219
who is with the Planetary Society a very

1227
00:51:21,319 --> 00:51:19,259
big public outreach group about

1228
00:51:23,359 --> 00:51:21,329
planetary exploration she knows all this

1229
00:51:24,769 --> 00:51:23,369
stuff too and she's one who corrected me

1230
00:51:26,299 --> 00:51:24,779
on my post the other day as she's

1231
00:51:29,359 --> 00:51:26,309
writing something up today I think about

1232
00:51:31,160 --> 00:51:29,369
it um but they I mean there's reason

1233
00:51:33,019 --> 00:51:31,170
these people are experts they know what

1234
00:51:35,479 --> 00:51:33,029
they're talking about and they may be

1235
00:51:37,459 --> 00:51:35,489
wrong too but you know statistically

1236
00:51:39,769 --> 00:51:37,469
speaking they're wrong a lot less than I

1237
00:51:42,410 --> 00:51:39,779
am when it comes to this I find it quite

1238
00:51:44,839 --> 00:51:42,420
interesting sometimes to consider that

1239
00:51:49,069 --> 00:51:44,849
the what's available to the average

1240
00:51:50,569 --> 00:51:49,079
smell like me in Australia or an expert

1241
00:51:53,569 --> 00:51:50,579
in the field like you sitting here in

1242
00:51:55,910 --> 00:51:53,579
Bad Astronomy central we all have access

1243
00:51:57,229 --> 00:51:55,920
I have to say no no no come on my bad

1244
00:51:59,569 --> 00:51:57,239
astronomy central means you're sitting

1245
00:52:01,430 --> 00:51:59,579
in my home office you know I'm still

1246
00:52:03,979 --> 00:52:01,440
wearing my pajama bottoms oh you've just

1247
00:52:05,390 --> 00:52:03,989
bought the illusions now yeah you can

1248
00:52:07,609 --> 00:52:05,400
hear the computer clicking away a

1249
00:52:09,439 --> 00:52:07,619
crowned actually I'm making sure my dog

1250
00:52:12,589 --> 00:52:09,449
isn't scratching at the door and ruining

1251
00:52:14,190 --> 00:52:12,599
the interview this is that this this

1252
00:52:16,410 --> 00:52:14,200
image of you know

1253
00:52:18,270 --> 00:52:16,420
men and in behind glass screens and

1254
00:52:19,650 --> 00:52:18,280
white lab coats you know you could call

1255
00:52:21,270 --> 00:52:19,660
on but no honestly what oh there's a

1256
00:52:24,150 --> 00:52:21,280
picture of Stewie from family guy on

1257
00:52:25,740 --> 00:52:24,160
beyond that you're saying yeah um but

1258
00:52:27,300 --> 00:52:25,750
you can sit there and I can sit in

1259
00:52:28,950 --> 00:52:27,310
Australian all our listeners can do the

1260
00:52:30,720 --> 00:52:28,960
same thing go to this website and say oh

1261
00:52:32,520 --> 00:52:30,730
I wonder what satin would look like from

1262
00:52:34,260 --> 00:52:32,530
this angle prep is it ever you have a

1263
00:52:37,680 --> 00:52:34,270
pinch yourself and thinking my goodness

1264
00:52:39,480 --> 00:52:37,690
me yeah what's available to everybody on

1265
00:52:41,670 --> 00:52:39,490
the planet who has a half decent

1266
00:52:43,710 --> 00:52:41,680
internet connection are you crazy and

1267
00:52:46,319 --> 00:52:43,720
you can do this with Mars yeah Rovers

1268
00:52:47,970 --> 00:52:46,329
the data spoke um if if you're looking

1269
00:52:50,370 --> 00:52:47,980
at Hubble images if they're older than a

1270
00:52:53,510 --> 00:52:50,380
year there's a database called mast it's

1271
00:52:56,760 --> 00:52:53,520
the it's the something archive spaced

1272
00:52:58,440 --> 00:52:56,770
mast you look at mast and Hubble mas tu

1273
00:53:00,420 --> 00:52:58,450
find it you'll find the archive and you

1274
00:53:03,079 --> 00:53:00,430
can go in there and tight spiral

1275
00:53:06,150 --> 00:53:03,089
galaxies and you don't find a hundred

1276
00:53:07,829 --> 00:53:06,160
rod images of gift spiral galaxies from

1277
00:53:09,319 --> 00:53:07,839
Hubble it's incredible but 10 years ago

1278
00:53:12,120 --> 00:53:09,329
20 years ago this would have been

1279
00:53:14,280 --> 00:53:12,130
fantasy just 20 years ago 80 years ago

1280
00:53:16,920 --> 00:53:14,290
okay yeah 10 years ago when I was let's

1281
00:53:19,050 --> 00:53:16,930
see it's 2010 sister than 2,000 yeah I'd

1282
00:53:22,200 --> 00:53:19,060
already been working on Hubble for four

1283
00:53:24,780 --> 00:53:22,210
years ten years ago and and in 96 when

1284
00:53:28,109 --> 00:53:24,790
our camera finished building it it

1285
00:53:30,210 --> 00:53:28,119
launched in 97 so that archive was

1286
00:53:32,190 --> 00:53:30,220
already there were already public okay

1287
00:53:33,900 --> 00:53:32,200
data even in the mid-90s more really

1288
00:53:35,550 --> 00:53:33,910
yeah from Hubble that you could look up

1289
00:53:37,620 --> 00:53:35,560
and do your own processing and all that

1290
00:53:39,900 --> 00:53:37,630
was incredible do i do you happen to

1291
00:53:42,180 --> 00:53:39,910
know because of the widespread

1292
00:53:43,559 --> 00:53:42,190
availability of this information are

1293
00:53:44,960 --> 00:53:43,569
there people sitting in their armchairs

1294
00:53:47,609 --> 00:53:44,970
making interesting discoveries

1295
00:53:50,160 --> 00:53:47,619
absolutely and and what's really funny

1296
00:53:52,470 --> 00:53:50,170
is is that it's a coincidence that you

1297
00:53:54,980 --> 00:53:52,480
would ask this right now but a press

1298
00:53:57,359 --> 00:53:54,990
release came out like an hour ago

1299
00:53:58,710 --> 00:53:57,369
there's a still in bed an hour ago yeah

1300
00:54:01,589 --> 00:53:58,720
well i mean and i was just reading

1301
00:54:04,020 --> 00:54:01,599
reading my email and there are these

1302
00:54:06,720 --> 00:54:04,030
objects well i need to back up there is

1303
00:54:09,900 --> 00:54:06,730
a there's a guy named chris linn taught

1304
00:54:12,059 --> 00:54:09,910
who is a stronger in england and he does

1305
00:54:15,569 --> 00:54:12,069
the sky at night with a weed a very

1306
00:54:17,400 --> 00:54:15,579
famous BBC production and patrick moore

1307
00:54:19,620 --> 00:54:17,410
doesn't do that anymore he does he does

1308
00:54:22,109 --> 00:54:19,630
and chris is there is co-host I see um

1309
00:54:23,970 --> 00:54:22,119
and so chris chris is a really good

1310
00:54:25,800 --> 00:54:23,980
astronomer he's a nice guy known him for

1311
00:54:27,300 --> 00:54:25,810
a few years and he and a few other

1312
00:54:30,300 --> 00:54:27,310
people started this idea called

1313
00:54:32,040 --> 00:54:30,310
Galaxy Zoo where there is a survey of

1314
00:54:35,760 --> 00:54:32,050
the sky that was taken years ago and all

1315
00:54:37,590 --> 00:54:35,770
that data is online and so they course

1316
00:54:40,380 --> 00:54:37,600
Davis plural so although all those data

1317
00:54:42,390 --> 00:54:40,390
are online whatever astronomers use data

1318
00:54:44,700 --> 00:54:42,400
plural and singular its grammar grammar

1319
00:54:47,550 --> 00:54:44,710
people who get all upset about it and I

1320
00:54:49,560 --> 00:54:47,560
don't I don't care but all of those

1321
00:54:51,240 --> 00:54:49,570
images all the spectra are online you

1322
00:54:53,640 --> 00:54:51,250
can grab them so what they did is they

1323
00:54:56,340 --> 00:54:53,650
wrote software that finds galaxies in

1324
00:54:58,290 --> 00:54:56,350
the data and then you can sign up to

1325
00:55:01,050 --> 00:54:58,300
register it's called Galaxy Zoo you can

1326
00:55:02,610 --> 00:55:01,060
find it online easily and then you after

1327
00:55:04,590 --> 00:55:02,620
a brief training period where you click

1328
00:55:07,680 --> 00:55:04,600
on a few galaxy pictures and say this is

1329
00:55:09,120 --> 00:55:07,690
a spiral it's it's rotating clockwise do

1330
00:55:12,180 --> 00:55:09,130
you say anti-clockwise muster their

1331
00:55:13,470 --> 00:55:12,190
counter clock oh but okay but we say

1332
00:55:15,780 --> 00:55:13,480
counterclockwise in America and in

1333
00:55:17,310 --> 00:55:15,790
England it's anti clockwise and if this

1334
00:55:19,260 --> 00:55:17,320
is an elliptical it's an irregular they

1335
00:55:20,820 --> 00:55:19,270
it trains you and tests you to make sure

1336
00:55:22,050 --> 00:55:20,830
you know what you're doing and then let

1337
00:55:23,790 --> 00:55:22,060
you go and you can sit there and

1338
00:55:25,950 --> 00:55:23,800
classify galaxies after galaxy for

1339
00:55:27,960 --> 00:55:25,960
galaxy it's hard for computers to do

1340
00:55:30,390 --> 00:55:27,970
this it's easy for humans to do it and

1341
00:55:33,300 --> 00:55:30,400
you're crowdsourcing it the more people

1342
00:55:35,670 --> 00:55:33,310
doing it the more classifications you

1343
00:55:37,890 --> 00:55:35,680
have and they tested it on tens of

1344
00:55:39,960 --> 00:55:37,900
thousands of galaxies is incredible

1345
00:55:41,490 --> 00:55:39,970
their statistics are really good and

1346
00:55:43,260 --> 00:55:41,500
what they found is that people are

1347
00:55:44,460 --> 00:55:43,270
really good at classifying galaxies with

1348
00:55:46,080 --> 00:55:44,470
very little training and they're not

1349
00:55:47,340 --> 00:55:46,090
going to run out of galaxies to class no

1350
00:55:48,960 --> 00:55:47,350
there are millions and millions millions

1351
00:55:50,430 --> 00:55:48,970
I've class and it's addicting I've

1352
00:55:51,870 --> 00:55:50,440
classified I'll even know how many

1353
00:55:53,820 --> 00:55:51,880
hundreds are you just sit down start

1354
00:55:55,140 --> 00:55:53,830
doing it yeah it's just you know oh my

1355
00:55:57,390 --> 00:55:55,150
god it's been eight hours and i'm hungry

1356
00:55:58,800 --> 00:55:57,400
and my you know my dog is so you you

1357
00:56:01,680 --> 00:55:58,810
know the carpet you know I need to get

1358
00:56:04,110 --> 00:56:01,690
out it's really easy to get lost do even

1359
00:56:05,040 --> 00:56:04,120
a region to work on is that I don't know

1360
00:56:07,080 --> 00:56:05,050
how I don't know how they pick the

1361
00:56:09,900 --> 00:56:07,090
galaxies actually I mean they have some

1362
00:56:12,570 --> 00:56:09,910
some software algorithm that they use to

1363
00:56:13,920 --> 00:56:12,580
do all this and once you classify it it

1364
00:56:16,050 --> 00:56:13,930
goes into a database with the other

1365
00:56:18,540 --> 00:56:16,060
classifications and it it checks it says

1366
00:56:20,520 --> 00:56:18,550
Wow 75 people have looked at this in 74

1367
00:56:22,680 --> 00:56:20,530
say it's anti clockwise and one guy says

1368
00:56:24,630 --> 00:56:22,690
it's clockwise can throw the clockwise

1369
00:56:27,420 --> 00:56:24,640
out right right so it does all that and

1370
00:56:29,760 --> 00:56:27,430
people have found stuff in this data

1371
00:56:31,230 --> 00:56:29,770
that that you can't that you know one

1372
00:56:33,030 --> 00:56:31,240
person looking at the data never would

1373
00:56:37,140 --> 00:56:33,040
have seen and the result there was a

1374
00:56:40,170 --> 00:56:37,150
woman at Brian May the the guitar clean

1375
00:56:41,970 --> 00:56:40,180
yeah Brian May dictatorship we enroll

1376
00:56:43,530 --> 00:56:41,980
we will rock you and we have a Champions

1377
00:56:46,920 --> 00:56:43,540
I mean you know relatively famous

1378
00:56:49,470 --> 00:56:46,930
relatively thing was an astronomer and

1379
00:56:51,569 --> 00:56:49,480
then he left to he left he left school

1380
00:56:53,520 --> 00:56:51,579
to join some rock band which worked out

1381
00:56:56,760 --> 00:56:53,530
fairly well for him I suppose and then

1382
00:56:58,589 --> 00:56:56,770
he just got his PhD recently and so he

1383
00:57:00,270 --> 00:56:58,599
he does some public outreach for

1384
00:57:03,030 --> 00:57:00,280
astronomy talks about it he writes about

1385
00:57:04,799 --> 00:57:03,040
it sometimes so he mentioned Galaxy Zoo

1386
00:57:06,210 --> 00:57:04,809
he works with chris linn taught and

1387
00:57:08,309 --> 00:57:06,220
patrick moore they do think so yeah they

1388
00:57:11,069 --> 00:57:08,319
wrote a book together and so they he

1389
00:57:13,710 --> 00:57:11,079
mentioned it some young woman in oh gosh

1390
00:57:16,650 --> 00:57:13,720
denmark oh i don't remember her name is

1391
00:57:18,420 --> 00:57:16,660
Hani or Hanny I don't know how she

1392
00:57:22,589 --> 00:57:18,430
pronounces her name but she found this

1393
00:57:25,200 --> 00:57:22,599
this sort of weird green smudgy thing

1394
00:57:28,049 --> 00:57:25,210
next to a galaxy which they were calling

1395
00:57:31,349 --> 00:57:28,059
Hanny's object which in Dutch is honey's

1396
00:57:34,170 --> 00:57:31,359
for fair and that's what they're calling

1397
00:57:35,910 --> 00:57:34,180
it and it turns out nobody knew it was

1398
00:57:37,290 --> 00:57:35,920
they want to looking at using Hubble to

1399
00:57:38,670 --> 00:57:37,300
look at if some professional astronomers

1400
00:57:41,040 --> 00:57:38,680
got involved and they found it it's a

1401
00:57:44,309 --> 00:57:41,050
cloud of gas that's being lit up by

1402
00:57:46,470 --> 00:57:44,319
nearby quasar so there's this black hole

1403
00:57:48,480 --> 00:57:46,480
a gazillion light-years away that's

1404
00:57:50,339 --> 00:57:48,490
sucking down material that material gets

1405
00:57:52,319 --> 00:57:50,349
hot and glows and that glow is bright

1406
00:57:53,609 --> 00:57:52,329
enough to have lit up this gas cloud

1407
00:57:55,650 --> 00:57:53,619
it's like a hundred thousand light years

1408
00:57:57,450 --> 00:57:55,660
away it looks like it's just floating

1409
00:57:59,640 --> 00:57:57,460
out there in space and she discovered it

1410
00:58:01,109 --> 00:57:59,650
it's her object I was thinking the old

1411
00:58:04,230 --> 00:58:01,119
Star Trek when you mention him is this

1412
00:58:06,329 --> 00:58:04,240
strange green blob in space in the notch

1413
00:58:08,819 --> 00:58:06,339
or was the end it winds up being a space

1414
00:58:11,309 --> 00:58:08,829
of evil it takes over Scottie you know

1415
00:58:13,020 --> 00:58:11,319
what else does it do yeah and so there's

1416
00:58:15,410 --> 00:58:13,030
a what I do just talked about earlier

1417
00:58:17,819 --> 00:58:15,420
there was a press release a lot of these

1418
00:58:23,520 --> 00:58:17,829
galaxies do people we're finding these

1419
00:58:25,380 --> 00:58:23,530
compact green disc-like objects and they

1420
00:58:27,480 --> 00:58:25,390
were calling him green pea galaxies and

1421
00:58:28,799 --> 00:58:27,490
nobody knew what they were and now there

1422
00:58:31,440 --> 00:58:28,809
was a press release came out literally

1423
00:58:33,210 --> 00:58:31,450
an hour ago that says that these are

1424
00:58:34,890 --> 00:58:33,220
compact galaxies are about a billion

1425
00:58:37,950 --> 00:58:34,900
light years away a billion with a be

1426
00:58:41,099 --> 00:58:37,960
1000 million light years away and they

1427
00:58:43,140 --> 00:58:41,109
are deficient in heavy elements they got

1428
00:58:44,910 --> 00:58:43,150
plenty of hydrogen and helium but very

1429
00:58:46,710 --> 00:58:44,920
little iron very little carbon oxygen

1430
00:58:49,829 --> 00:58:46,720
which is what's made those are made

1431
00:58:51,539 --> 00:58:49,839
inside of stars that then blow them out

1432
00:58:53,580 --> 00:58:51,549
into the galaxy through winds or they

1433
00:58:56,790 --> 00:58:53,590
explode and like a supernova

1434
00:58:59,040 --> 00:58:56,800
and evidently these galaxies just are

1435
00:59:01,680 --> 00:58:59,050
metal what astronomers call metals

1436
00:59:03,000 --> 00:59:01,690
they're metal deficient and when you

1437
00:59:05,460 --> 00:59:03,010
look at the spectrum of them that makes

1438
00:59:07,980 --> 00:59:05,470
them look green and it's a new type of

1439
00:59:10,320 --> 00:59:07,990
galaxies well not a new type of galaxies

1440
00:59:12,120 --> 00:59:10,330
it's just it's a it's a very brief phase

1441
00:59:15,450 --> 00:59:12,130
in a galaxy's life that had never been

1442
00:59:16,440 --> 00:59:15,460
seen before it because it's just like if

1443
00:59:18,180 --> 00:59:16,450
you were to go out on the street and

1444
00:59:19,920 --> 00:59:18,190
take a bunch of pictures it would be

1445
00:59:22,350 --> 00:59:19,930
very rare for you to see a baby one day

1446
00:59:23,310 --> 00:59:22,360
old but if you kept taking pictures kept

1447
00:59:25,380 --> 00:59:23,320
taking pictures kept taking pictures

1448
00:59:27,720 --> 00:59:25,390
eventually you will see loot those rare

1449
00:59:28,980 --> 00:59:27,730
instances and that's what happened here

1450
00:59:31,260 --> 00:59:28,990
this is a very brief moment in a

1451
00:59:32,220 --> 00:59:31,270
galaxy's life and not in every galaxy

1452
00:59:33,600 --> 00:59:32,230
but if you take enough pictures

1453
00:59:35,370 --> 00:59:33,610
eventually you see it and they've got

1454
00:59:36,750 --> 00:59:35,380
they found dozens of these things and

1455
00:59:39,270 --> 00:59:36,760
now they've got a published paper man

1456
00:59:41,220 --> 00:59:39,280
does it is in science it makes you mind

1457
00:59:43,320 --> 00:59:41,230
race when you stop to speculate well

1458
00:59:45,510 --> 00:59:43,330
what sort of life would this slightly

1459
00:59:48,360 --> 00:59:45,520
different sort of galaxies produce and

1460
00:59:49,950 --> 00:59:48,370
no wonder this good a wealth of

1461
00:59:51,720 --> 00:59:49,960
information for riders and science

1462
00:59:54,030 --> 00:59:51,730
fiction oh yeah well back then these

1463
00:59:55,380 --> 00:59:54,040
these plant these galaxies probably

1464
00:59:58,200 --> 00:59:55,390
don't have many planets because you need

1465
00:59:59,400 --> 00:59:58,210
iron and calcium and silicon and

1466
01:00:01,740 --> 00:59:59,410
everything to make planets at least

1467
01:00:04,050 --> 01:00:01,750
planets like the earth yeah well life in

1468
01:00:05,820 --> 01:00:04,060
the German yeah exactly you can make

1469
01:00:07,130 --> 01:00:05,830
Jupiter's gas giants and stuff out of

1470
01:00:09,690 --> 01:00:07,140
hydrogen to helium but that's about it

1471
01:00:14,100 --> 01:00:09,700
but that was a billion years ago so no

1472
01:00:15,210 --> 01:00:14,110
yes no no in these galaxies there's some

1473
01:00:16,470 --> 01:00:15,220
dude on the sitting on one of those

1474
01:00:18,630 --> 01:00:16,480
plans looking at us saying well that's

1475
01:00:19,890 --> 01:00:18,640
so strange woman yeah what is our galaxy

1476
01:00:21,780 --> 01:00:19,900
much like a million years ago probably

1477
01:00:23,550 --> 01:00:21,790
pretty much like it does now but yes

1478
01:00:24,960 --> 01:00:23,560
yeah you know there were there are

1479
01:00:26,550 --> 01:00:24,970
differences a million years is a long

1480
01:00:29,910 --> 01:00:26,560
time it's a ten percent of the galaxy's

1481
01:00:31,970 --> 01:00:29,920
life so the exchange and in look its

1482
01:00:33,750 --> 01:00:31,980
citizens found that and you know what

1483
01:00:37,980 --> 01:00:33,760
citizens have looked at pictures of

1484
01:00:40,140 --> 01:00:37,990
Saturn of Mars of the earth of the moon

1485
01:00:42,600 --> 01:00:40,150
and there's moon zoom now along with

1486
01:00:44,700 --> 01:00:42,610
Galaxy Zoo they're working on one for

1487
01:00:48,060 --> 01:00:44,710
the Sun didn't somebody recently

1488
01:00:50,010 --> 01:00:48,070
observed from Australia a an impact on

1489
01:00:51,840 --> 01:00:50,020
Jupiter yeah Anthony Wesley as an

1490
01:00:55,080 --> 01:00:51,850
Australian amateur astronomer and he

1491
01:00:58,800 --> 01:00:55,090
detected actually I think it's he's

1492
01:01:00,510 --> 01:00:58,810
detected two I can't remember I don't

1493
01:01:03,870 --> 01:01:00,520
care member who got the discovery

1494
01:01:05,029 --> 01:01:03,880
pictures last year in July there was an

1495
01:01:06,949 --> 01:01:05,039
impact on Jupiter

1496
01:01:08,929 --> 01:01:06,959
and I remember I came out and I looked

1497
01:01:10,999 --> 01:01:08,939
at it went well maybe maybe it's just a

1498
01:01:12,349 --> 01:01:11,009
little storm it's just a black spot and

1499
01:01:13,489 --> 01:01:12,359
then a couple of days later they

1500
01:01:14,630 --> 01:01:13,499
observed it with a big infrared

1501
01:01:16,549 --> 01:01:14,640
telescope and it was like this big

1502
01:01:19,759 --> 01:01:16,559
glowing hot spot on Jupiter's like holy

1503
01:01:22,459 --> 01:01:19,769
crap no Jupiter got hit and then again

1504
01:01:24,259 --> 01:01:22,469
just a few weeks ago the Jupiter

1505
01:01:26,179 --> 01:01:24,269
Jupiter's been hit twice this year and

1506
01:01:28,880 --> 01:01:26,189
it's been caught by amateur astronomers

1507
01:01:31,219 --> 01:01:28,890
both times they were taking video using

1508
01:01:33,559 --> 01:01:31,229
all basically off-the-shelf equipment

1509
01:01:34,699 --> 01:01:33,569
telescopes you would buy from the back

1510
01:01:37,189 --> 01:01:34,709
of a magazine I mean these are nice

1511
01:01:39,829 --> 01:01:37,199
fancy telescopes but you know they're

1512
01:01:42,109 --> 01:01:39,839
not professional you know five meter

1513
01:01:45,939 --> 01:01:42,119
mirror telescopes these are your 40

1514
01:01:48,829 --> 01:01:45,949
centimeter telescopes are smaller and

1515
01:01:50,989 --> 01:01:48,839
they had a video hooked up and you see a

1516
01:01:53,209 --> 01:01:50,999
flash of light on Jupiter and it could

1517
01:01:54,979 --> 01:01:53,219
be anything it could be a defect in the

1518
01:01:56,449 --> 01:01:54,989
camera could be this could be that but

1519
01:01:59,749 --> 01:01:56,459
then another one came up from another

1520
01:02:01,039 --> 01:01:59,759
astronomer in Japan I think it was Japan

1521
01:02:02,209 --> 01:02:01,049
and you can you can look all this up

1522
01:02:04,579 --> 01:02:02,219
I've even wrote about it when it

1523
01:02:06,349 --> 01:02:04,589
happened a few months ago confirming it

1524
01:02:07,939 --> 01:02:06,359
and so Jupiter's been hit twice both

1525
01:02:09,799 --> 01:02:07,949
times they pointed bigger telescopes and

1526
01:02:11,239 --> 01:02:09,809
see nothing so whatever this thing was

1527
01:02:13,219 --> 01:02:11,249
it just you know it exploded in

1528
01:02:15,589 --> 01:02:13,229
Jupiter's atmosphere and that was it but

1529
01:02:17,409 --> 01:02:15,599
last year's left a big impact and then

1530
01:02:19,759 --> 01:02:17,419
of course there was shoemaker-levy 9

1531
01:02:21,169 --> 01:02:19,769
will remember this comet that hit

1532
01:02:22,729 --> 01:02:21,179
Jupiter over and over again it broke up

1533
01:02:24,799 --> 01:02:22,739
into pieces and slammed it they named

1534
01:02:28,009 --> 01:02:24,809
all the pieces yeah Andrew you know

1535
01:02:29,630 --> 01:02:28,019
whatever a letter and heck uh you know

1536
01:02:30,769 --> 01:02:29,640
amateur astronomers are doing this now

1537
01:02:32,959 --> 01:02:30,779
because the amateur astronomers have

1538
01:02:34,819 --> 01:02:32,969
good equipment and they can discover

1539
01:02:37,099 --> 01:02:34,829
stuff away and there's only that is she

1540
01:02:38,719 --> 01:02:37,109
a number of people who at any given time

1541
01:02:40,909 --> 01:02:38,729
we've got their equipment trained on

1542
01:02:43,009 --> 01:02:40,919
sages yeah Jupiter is being observed you

1543
01:02:45,439 --> 01:02:43,019
know essentially 24 hours a day when

1544
01:02:47,539 --> 01:02:45,449
it's when it's in a position like it is

1545
01:02:51,769 --> 01:02:47,549
now or it's up all night so right now

1546
01:02:54,319 --> 01:02:51,779
we're work it's it's what 930am and

1547
01:02:56,390 --> 01:02:54,329
Boulder so it's it's like two in the

1548
01:02:58,489 --> 01:02:56,400
morning roughly in Australia so right

1549
01:03:00,439 --> 01:02:58,499
now the Sun is up here but on Australia

1550
01:03:01,729 --> 01:03:00,449
for somebody Jupiter's overhead they can

1551
01:03:03,559 --> 01:03:01,739
get serving we have sets there it's

1552
01:03:04,909 --> 01:03:03,569
rising here yeah so people can observe

1553
01:03:07,339 --> 01:03:04,919
it all the time you're bound to see it

1554
01:03:09,859 --> 01:03:07,349
but you can't see anything if nothing's

1555
01:03:12,739 --> 01:03:09,869
happening so what this has taught us is

1556
01:03:14,779 --> 01:03:12,749
that since 1994 we've seen four separate

1557
01:03:16,170 --> 01:03:14,789
impact events 3 of which have happened

1558
01:03:17,370 --> 01:03:16,180
in the past year and

1559
01:03:20,069 --> 01:03:17,380
and when something when you start seeing

1560
01:03:22,530 --> 01:03:20,079
more of something as time goes on you

1561
01:03:25,200 --> 01:03:22,540
start the thing is it happening more

1562
01:03:27,270 --> 01:03:25,210
often probably not but what else has

1563
01:03:29,640 --> 01:03:27,280
changed is that the equipment's getting

1564
01:03:31,770 --> 01:03:29,650
better and you can buy video cameras for

1565
01:03:34,079 --> 01:03:31,780
cheap you know you can go to you can go

1566
01:03:35,010 --> 01:03:34,089
to some store for 200 bucks by a video

1567
01:03:37,349 --> 01:03:35,020
camera that you can hook on your

1568
01:03:39,690 --> 01:03:37,359
telescope people are doing that now and

1569
01:03:41,609 --> 01:03:39,700
they're catching this stuff and so

1570
01:03:43,049 --> 01:03:41,619
they're still missing a lot you have to

1571
01:03:45,180 --> 01:03:43,059
look through hours of videotape to see

1572
01:03:47,670 --> 01:03:45,190
it so you sought to coincidentally catch

1573
01:03:49,140 --> 01:03:47,680
it but the point here is that citizen

1574
01:03:50,970 --> 01:03:49,150
science is taking off and it's

1575
01:03:52,609 --> 01:03:50,980
especially in astronomy it's happening

1576
01:03:56,730 --> 01:03:52,619
in other fields too but in astronomy its

1577
01:03:58,530 --> 01:03:56,740
skies the way the sky is not the limit

1578
01:04:00,359 --> 01:03:58,540
in this case but we're going to see more

1579
01:04:02,339 --> 01:04:00,369
of this and we're going to see we're

1580
01:04:03,990 --> 01:04:02,349
gonna see impacts on the moon we know

1581
01:04:05,339 --> 01:04:04,000
that meteorites hit the moon we've got

1582
01:04:06,809 --> 01:04:05,349
video tape of that but it's very rare

1583
01:04:10,140 --> 01:04:06,819
we're gonna start seeing more of that

1584
01:04:12,540 --> 01:04:10,150
the more you see the better your

1585
01:04:14,160 --> 01:04:12,550
statistical database gets and then at

1586
01:04:15,270 --> 01:04:14,170
some point instead of its being a super

1587
01:04:17,099 --> 01:04:15,280
rare event that you don't know that much

1588
01:04:19,530 --> 01:04:17,109
about suddenly you've got thousands of

1589
01:04:21,720 --> 01:04:19,540
cases and you can start doing statistics

1590
01:04:23,339 --> 01:04:21,730
how what's the average size of an object

1591
01:04:24,539 --> 01:04:23,349
what's the average speed when it's

1592
01:04:26,220 --> 01:04:24,549
hitting can you tell the difference

1593
01:04:28,049 --> 01:04:26,230
between a chunk of ice on a chunk of

1594
01:04:30,870 --> 01:04:28,059
rock and a chunk of metal hitting the

1595
01:04:32,220 --> 01:04:30,880
surface of another world and this is all

1596
01:04:33,480 --> 01:04:32,230
important stuff we're gonna start

1597
01:04:35,099 --> 01:04:33,490
traveling to other planets we need to

1598
01:04:36,720 --> 01:04:35,109
know what's out there and if it turns

1599
01:04:39,000 --> 01:04:36,730
out that there's way too much debris out

1600
01:04:39,990 --> 01:04:39,010
there and we build a big ship yeah we're

1601
01:04:42,599 --> 01:04:40,000
going to have to deal with it yeah

1602
01:04:44,640 --> 01:04:42,609
deflective deflector shields up I can

1603
01:04:46,859 --> 01:04:44,650
exist on track references this is real

1604
01:04:49,140 --> 01:04:46,869
science and real explorers a great segue

1605
01:04:51,690 --> 01:04:49,150
of course talking about dangers from

1606
01:04:53,520 --> 01:04:51,700
space last time we interviewed you you

1607
01:04:57,480 --> 01:04:53,530
weren't at liberty to say too much or

1608
01:04:59,609 --> 01:04:57,490
too much about of course your television

1609
01:05:03,510 --> 01:04:59,619
show which I didn't even know was called

1610
01:05:05,730 --> 01:05:03,520
this bad universe which ad just the

1611
01:05:08,579 --> 01:05:05,740
other week it's actually fill plates bad

1612
01:05:11,039 --> 01:05:08,589
you know oh excuse mom that was not my

1613
01:05:14,849 --> 01:05:11,049
idea I didn't object too strenuously

1614
01:05:18,270 --> 01:05:14,859
when they suggested that but in fact um

1615
01:05:20,220 --> 01:05:18,280
I the reason I went for it it's it's

1616
01:05:23,579 --> 01:05:20,230
awfully self-serving even for me to have

1617
01:05:27,450 --> 01:05:23,589
my name in a TV show title but in fact I

1618
01:05:29,970 --> 01:05:27,460
liked it because the show is supposed to

1619
01:05:32,400 --> 01:05:29,980
be personal it's not one of the

1620
01:05:34,080 --> 01:05:32,410
is interviewing scientists where they're

1621
01:05:35,250 --> 01:05:34,090
in a hotel room with a splash of light

1622
01:05:37,920 --> 01:05:35,260
behind them and they're looking off to

1623
01:05:39,750 --> 01:05:37,930
the side of the camera I wanted to make

1624
01:05:41,190 --> 01:05:39,760
a TV show where I'm involved are you

1625
01:05:42,960 --> 01:05:41,200
addressed the camera don't you oh yeah

1626
01:05:45,450 --> 01:05:42,970
explaining yeah I'm talking to the

1627
01:05:47,460 --> 01:05:45,460
audience here look at this or I mean I'm

1628
01:05:49,380 --> 01:05:47,470
having fun yeah you know when running

1629
01:05:51,210 --> 01:05:49,390
around interviewing people we we blow a

1630
01:05:52,980 --> 01:05:51,220
lot of stuff up we made maybe we blow up

1631
01:05:55,410 --> 01:05:52,990
too much stuff in the first episode oh I

1632
01:05:57,450 --> 01:05:55,420
hope well the first episode is about

1633
01:05:58,920 --> 01:05:57,460
asteroid impact that I had some I had

1634
01:06:00,000 --> 01:05:58,930
some friends of mine who do asteroid

1635
01:06:02,400 --> 01:06:00,010
stuff and they're like really did you

1636
01:06:04,800 --> 01:06:02,410
have to have that many explosion is it

1637
01:06:06,599 --> 01:06:04,810
will Janna because we were showing I

1638
01:06:08,580 --> 01:06:06,609
mean we were showing first of all what

1639
01:06:10,920 --> 01:06:08,590
an impact is like and you need a big

1640
01:06:12,750 --> 01:06:10,930
bomb for that and then it turns out that

1641
01:06:15,300 --> 01:06:12,760
to push these things out of the way

1642
01:06:17,310 --> 01:06:15,310
we're talking about blowing up nuclear

1643
01:06:19,380 --> 01:06:17,320
weapons near them or smacking them at

1644
01:06:21,540 --> 01:06:19,390
high speed with what are called kinetic

1645
01:06:24,080 --> 01:06:21,550
impactors we're talking about asteroids

1646
01:06:27,180 --> 01:06:24,090
and comets another yeah I'm sorry

1647
01:06:29,280 --> 01:06:27,190
devastating objects right ways that

1648
01:06:30,930 --> 01:06:29,290
could impact with the earth you see a

1649
01:06:32,220 --> 01:06:30,940
rock 300 meters across and it's going to

1650
01:06:33,660 --> 01:06:32,230
hit the earth and you know what do you

1651
01:06:35,670 --> 01:06:33,670
do well you got to keep it from hitting

1652
01:06:37,580 --> 01:06:35,680
you know it's hard to move the earth out

1653
01:06:39,840 --> 01:06:37,590
of the way you go into the basement

1654
01:06:42,060 --> 01:06:39,850
exactly yeah you run is what you do or

1655
01:06:43,650 --> 01:06:42,070
you panic um but we want to push these

1656
01:06:45,480 --> 01:06:43,660
things out of the way how do you do that

1657
01:06:46,830 --> 01:06:45,490
so you can blow up a bomb near them or

1658
01:06:49,140 --> 01:06:46,840
you can impact them with a space probe

1659
01:06:52,200 --> 01:06:49,150
at high speed and it's like it's like

1660
01:06:53,280 --> 01:06:52,210
you know if you can imagine somebody

1661
01:06:55,320 --> 01:06:53,290
standing in the middle of the road in a

1662
01:06:56,640 --> 01:06:55,330
car is coming what do you do you run and

1663
01:06:57,990 --> 01:06:56,650
grab them and push them out of the way

1664
01:07:00,000 --> 01:06:58,000
and that's kind of what we're doing here

1665
01:07:02,070 --> 01:07:00,010
you know you hit the the asteroid with

1666
01:07:03,750 --> 01:07:02,080
it with a space probe it impacts a

1667
01:07:06,060 --> 01:07:03,760
little little bit of momentum momentum

1668
01:07:07,830 --> 01:07:06,070
and moves in this case if the cars

1669
01:07:09,780 --> 01:07:07,840
coming for the person you you run and

1670
01:07:11,430 --> 01:07:09,790
push the person yeah it's sort of the

1671
01:07:12,990 --> 01:07:11,440
opposite of awkward on kiddos the car

1672
01:07:14,460 --> 01:07:13,000
but it's all relative what do that mean

1673
01:07:15,780 --> 01:07:14,470
the earth is moving the asteroids moving

1674
01:07:17,070 --> 01:07:15,790
your spaceships moving so whatever

1675
01:07:19,950 --> 01:07:17,080
whatever frame of reference you know

1676
01:07:23,010 --> 01:07:19,960
take you take your pick but we're

1677
01:07:24,450 --> 01:07:23,020
talking about a basically explosion so

1678
01:07:28,560 --> 01:07:24,460
we blow a lot of stuff up in the episode

1679
01:07:30,630 --> 01:07:28,570
including sadly oh yes Sydney oh yeah

1680
01:07:33,660 --> 01:07:30,640
now must tell your story about this dr.

1681
01:07:36,120 --> 01:07:33,670
ray and I'm flying out to to drag him

1682
01:07:38,099 --> 01:07:36,130
come the other week we're sitting in the

1683
01:07:40,420 --> 01:07:38,109
plane they haven't shut the doors yet

1684
01:07:42,490 --> 01:07:40,430
we're waiting to taxi up to our

1685
01:07:44,440 --> 01:07:42,500
and Sydney Airport and we're looking at

1686
01:07:45,730 --> 01:07:44,450
our tweets and few last-minute emails

1687
01:07:48,130 --> 01:07:45,740
he's suddenly getting all these tweets

1688
01:07:50,310 --> 01:07:48,140
Richard Rachel get out of Sydney now get

1689
01:07:54,070 --> 01:07:50,320
out get what Sydney's being destroyed by

1690
01:07:57,010 --> 01:07:54,080
asteroids and comets it wasn't until I

1691
01:07:58,630 --> 01:07:57,020
was visiting Brian Dunning the next day

1692
01:08:00,880 --> 01:07:58,640
and we watched it we were just rolling

1693
01:08:03,370 --> 01:08:00,890
on the floor watching Sydney get creamed

1694
01:08:04,660 --> 01:08:03,380
degree again and again but it's so well

1695
01:08:06,850 --> 01:08:04,670
done I have somebody pull the

1696
01:08:08,770 --> 01:08:06,860
special-effects crew really good in the

1697
01:08:10,720 --> 01:08:08,780
show and they did some they did some

1698
01:08:12,910 --> 01:08:10,730
astonishing stuff and we you know we

1699
01:08:15,550 --> 01:08:12,920
blew up Sydney and then when I was

1700
01:08:18,310 --> 01:08:15,560
talking with the the producer who was

1701
01:08:20,410 --> 01:08:18,320
running the show basically and making it

1702
01:08:21,850 --> 01:08:20,420
he's the person who sort of in charge of

1703
01:08:23,650 --> 01:08:21,860
everything and he and I worked together

1704
01:08:25,870 --> 01:08:23,660
very closely of course on the science

1705
01:08:27,160 --> 01:08:25,880
and the narrative of all this and he

1706
01:08:29,260 --> 01:08:27,170
said we're going to do Sydney and I said

1707
01:08:33,640 --> 01:08:29,270
well why Sydney I love Sydney I was in

1708
01:08:34,930 --> 01:08:33,650
Sydney in 2001 for for the the skeptics

1709
01:08:39,190 --> 01:08:34,940
conference and I had a terrific time

1710
01:08:40,570 --> 01:08:39,200
there and and I felt bad you know it's

1711
01:08:42,700 --> 01:08:40,580
like oh we're blowing up the Opera House

1712
01:08:44,980 --> 01:08:42,710
I went to the Opera House with Richard

1713
01:08:47,290 --> 01:08:44,990
we walked all over Sydney went to the

1714
01:08:49,540 --> 01:08:47,300
botanical gardens entering and he said

1715
01:08:52,240 --> 01:08:49,550
well you know we're look we need a major

1716
01:08:53,560 --> 01:08:52,250
city because you know the odds of a

1717
01:08:57,700 --> 01:08:53,570
major city getting hit by the guy really

1718
01:08:59,320 --> 01:08:57,710
really slim even you know how big is

1719
01:09:02,380 --> 01:08:59,330
Sydney even if it's the own three

1720
01:09:04,270 --> 01:09:02,390
kilometres across the planet is you know

1721
01:09:05,920 --> 01:09:04,280
a hundred million square incoming or

1722
01:09:07,660 --> 01:09:05,930
something crazy like that so the odds

1723
01:09:09,220 --> 01:09:07,670
are low but you want something visually

1724
01:09:10,600 --> 01:09:09,230
interesting for somebody if it impacts

1725
01:09:13,990 --> 01:09:10,610
over the ocean it's not that interesting

1726
01:09:15,790 --> 01:09:14,000
and we needed a big city with a major

1727
01:09:18,460 --> 01:09:15,800
landmark something iconic he would

1728
01:09:20,620 --> 01:09:18,470
recognize instantly and Paris has the

1729
01:09:22,720 --> 01:09:20,630
Eiffel Tower and New York has the

1730
01:09:24,130 --> 01:09:22,730
stature literally Washington Monument

1731
01:09:25,660 --> 01:09:24,140
they've been done over and over again

1732
01:09:28,300 --> 01:09:25,670
every movie blows up the Golden Gate

1733
01:09:29,410 --> 01:09:28,310
Bridge so we went international and we

1734
01:09:31,540 --> 01:09:29,420
weren't we said Nina it's like well

1735
01:09:32,620 --> 01:09:31,550
alright but i'm still getting tweets

1736
01:09:34,810 --> 01:09:32,630
from people saying what do you have

1737
01:09:36,220 --> 01:09:34,820
against sin really because you guys

1738
01:09:38,830 --> 01:09:36,230
don't send me enough Minty's that's what

1739
01:09:40,810 --> 01:09:38,840
I have against in film India no but I'm

1740
01:09:42,130 --> 01:09:40,820
apart from the fact that I've seen

1741
01:09:44,500 --> 01:09:42,140
things I know very well getting

1742
01:09:46,270 --> 01:09:44,510
completely smashed and destroyed it did

1743
01:09:47,770 --> 01:09:46,280
serve you well because a little bit

1744
01:09:49,600 --> 01:09:47,780
later in the episode where you use

1745
01:09:52,510 --> 01:09:49,610
mock-ups of the bridge in the Opera

1746
01:09:53,690 --> 01:09:52,520
House when you yeah that was a bit of

1747
01:09:55,190 --> 01:09:53,700
fun I mean we usually got the

1748
01:09:58,100 --> 01:09:55,200
scale but they were just basically cut

1749
01:10:00,050 --> 01:09:58,110
off my god but the it was actually

1750
01:10:02,480 --> 01:10:00,060
plywood plywood it might look like

1751
01:10:05,030 --> 01:10:02,490
cardboard and the explosion heavy wasn't

1752
01:10:07,340 --> 01:10:05,040
but we blew up I mean we blew up 7,500

1753
01:10:09,890 --> 01:10:07,350
pounds what's called it an pho it's

1754
01:10:14,170 --> 01:10:09,900
ammonium nitrate fuel oil mix and it's

1755
01:10:16,490 --> 01:10:14,180
it's it's a incredibly explosive a

1756
01:10:17,840 --> 01:10:16,500
chemical compound that was it's actually

1757
01:10:19,730 --> 01:10:17,850
some terrorists have used it with the

1758
01:10:22,640 --> 01:10:19,740
Oklahoma City bombing a few years back

1759
01:10:25,100 --> 01:10:22,650
yes yes they used that same mix it was

1760
01:10:27,770 --> 01:10:25,110
the equivalent of 3,000 pounds a ton and

1761
01:10:32,240 --> 01:10:27,780
a half you know a thousand what is that

1762
01:10:35,090 --> 01:10:32,250
1500 kilos of TNT and it was a huge

1763
01:10:36,710 --> 01:10:35,100
explosion Hugh you press the button them

1764
01:10:38,150 --> 01:10:36,720
I actually pulled the trigger on that I

1765
01:10:39,890 --> 01:10:38,160
didn't he was going to let me and I

1766
01:10:41,510 --> 01:10:39,900
asked it was a running joke up to that

1767
01:10:42,530 --> 01:10:41,520
point that I would ask the explosives

1768
01:10:44,780 --> 01:10:42,540
guy can I pull the trigger and they'd

1769
01:10:46,640 --> 01:10:44,790
say no it's too dangerous no but this

1770
01:10:50,810 --> 01:10:46,650
guy's like yeah sure what do I care all

1771
01:10:52,520 --> 01:10:50,820
right and it was it was amazing and did

1772
01:10:54,620 --> 01:10:52,530
a huge amount of devastation because the

1773
01:10:56,630 --> 01:10:54,630
freighter was very real it was it was it

1774
01:10:58,730 --> 01:10:56,640
was stunning was let me know it's a real

1775
01:11:00,350 --> 01:10:58,740
crater I mean if i knew-- up you know

1776
01:11:02,810 --> 01:11:00,360
you can see the shockwave on the

1777
01:11:04,670 --> 01:11:02,820
slow-motion reality that was astonishing

1778
01:11:07,100 --> 01:11:04,680
yeah it did a huge amount of damage you

1779
01:11:08,510 --> 01:11:07,110
know the debris field the way the crater

1780
01:11:10,310 --> 01:11:08,520
was shaped everything with just like an

1781
01:11:12,350 --> 01:11:10,320
asteroid impact was perfect and we're

1782
01:11:13,850 --> 01:11:12,360
really wedding out the appetite of the

1783
01:11:16,820 --> 01:11:13,860
listeners out there who haven't seen

1784
01:11:18,680 --> 01:11:16,830
your eye and lucky people in Canada I

1785
01:11:20,420 --> 01:11:18,690
hear that's going to be played in Canada

1786
01:11:22,010 --> 01:11:20,430
right it's it's a discovery channel show

1787
01:11:23,960 --> 01:11:22,020
the way we did it is it's a three part

1788
01:11:26,090 --> 01:11:23,970
you could call it a pilot we made a

1789
01:11:28,520 --> 01:11:26,100
three-part show the first ones about

1790
01:11:30,050 --> 01:11:28,530
asteroid impacts the next two I don't

1791
01:11:31,610 --> 01:11:30,060
you know I don't know if they if I'm

1792
01:11:32,900 --> 01:11:31,620
allowed to actually say in public what

1793
01:11:35,180 --> 01:11:32,910
they're about but I you know i'll let

1794
01:11:37,040 --> 01:11:35,190
you i'll let you see your zune i'm not

1795
01:11:38,990 --> 01:11:37,050
you'll see it soon enough it's based on

1796
01:11:42,260 --> 01:11:39,000
my book death from the skies so you can

1797
01:11:43,970 --> 01:11:42,270
you can kind of look even see it and the

1798
01:11:45,890 --> 01:11:43,980
it aired on discovery channel here in

1799
01:11:51,350 --> 01:11:45,900
the States a couple of weeks ago it's

1800
01:11:53,000 --> 01:11:51,360
going to air on our Tober Oh drat I

1801
01:11:55,790 --> 01:11:53,010
october twenty third now i can't

1802
01:11:57,290 --> 01:11:55,800
remember in october in canada yeah and i

1803
01:11:58,979 --> 01:11:57,300
just wrote about it but now i can't

1804
01:12:01,290 --> 01:11:58,989
remember the day but people in canada

1805
01:12:03,870 --> 01:12:01,300
run to the discovery website right

1806
01:12:06,120 --> 01:12:03,880
discovery canada and and it's going to

1807
01:12:08,069 --> 01:12:06,130
show on discovery asia in november and

1808
01:12:10,950 --> 01:12:08,079
actually do you get discovery age you

1809
01:12:13,319 --> 01:12:10,960
know i am strand listeners may know i

1810
01:12:15,959 --> 01:12:13,329
don't i don't get the well got a channel

1811
01:12:19,500 --> 01:12:15,969
yes male listen is it i will listen is

1812
01:12:21,689 --> 01:12:19,510
in australia I've seen the show and I'm

1813
01:12:22,979 --> 01:12:21,699
gonna see it again I'm going to get as

1814
01:12:25,859 --> 01:12:22,989
many people as I can to see it's

1815
01:12:27,479 --> 01:12:25,869
fabulous I thank you i know it seriously

1816
01:12:29,250 --> 01:12:27,489
it's not because i'm sitting in your

1817
01:12:30,629 --> 01:12:29,260
house drinking your coffee playing with

1818
01:12:32,399 --> 01:12:30,639
your dogs drinking right y'all get

1819
01:12:35,100 --> 01:12:32,409
another sip here safe stay away from my

1820
01:12:37,470 --> 01:12:35,110
own interview it's um rachel i watch it

1821
01:12:39,629 --> 01:12:37,480
with the brian and Lisa Dunning and we

1822
01:12:41,520 --> 01:12:39,639
were just enthralled and we were

1823
01:12:44,580 --> 01:12:41,530
laughing when Sydney was getting creamed

1824
01:12:47,189 --> 01:12:44,590
and we're admiring that the effects and

1825
01:12:48,839 --> 01:12:47,199
the science behind it and then there's

1826
01:12:50,640 --> 01:12:48,849
some selling us in this cereal is this

1827
01:12:52,529 --> 01:12:50,650
some silliness at one stage Rachel and I

1828
01:12:54,330 --> 01:12:52,539
got up to the TV we froze a picture

1829
01:12:57,959 --> 01:12:54,340
viewer we're both like praying save this

1830
01:13:02,220 --> 01:12:57,969
for later but listen is in Australia um

1831
01:13:05,009 --> 01:13:02,230
look if it's not coming up right email

1832
01:13:07,350 --> 01:13:05,019
the discovery channel sure because it is

1833
01:13:09,779 --> 01:13:07,360
discovery Australia is there a separate

1834
01:13:11,339 --> 01:13:09,789
honestly we probably do we probably do

1835
01:13:12,989 --> 01:13:11,349
but but listeners in Australia who get

1836
01:13:15,450 --> 01:13:12,999
that would certainly know about it it's

1837
01:13:18,120 --> 01:13:15,460
called bad universe and right in

1838
01:13:20,160 --> 01:13:18,130
demanding demand to be nice sweet be

1839
01:13:22,830 --> 01:13:20,170
nice and that does work because what

1840
01:13:25,290 --> 01:13:22,840
happened was when it aired here in the

1841
01:13:27,149 --> 01:13:25,300
States I was live-tweeting it the east

1842
01:13:30,299 --> 01:13:27,159
coast feed which was on at a certain

1843
01:13:31,770 --> 01:13:30,309
time and I was sitting there watching it

1844
01:13:35,040 --> 01:13:31,780
and tweeting about it I was getting so

1845
01:13:37,680 --> 01:13:35,050
many people in Canada saying when do we

1846
01:13:40,620 --> 01:13:37,690
get to see it and I didn't know so I

1847
01:13:42,419 --> 01:13:40,630
asked my the PR person that discovery

1848
01:13:43,620 --> 01:13:42,429
channel and said Wednesday are in Canada

1849
01:13:47,189 --> 01:13:43,630
she said well look they're their own

1850
01:13:48,959 --> 01:13:47,199
separate channel you know we're we don't

1851
01:13:50,759 --> 01:13:48,969
we don't dictate to them when they get

1852
01:13:53,819 --> 01:13:50,769
to what water when they show stuff so

1853
01:13:55,439 --> 01:13:53,829
ask them so I basically tweeted to

1854
01:13:58,649 --> 01:13:55,449
Discovery Channel canada and said what's

1855
01:14:01,529 --> 01:13:58,659
going on and a bunch of people sent nice

1856
01:14:03,720 --> 01:14:01,539
tweets you know at mentioning using the

1857
01:14:05,310 --> 01:14:03,730
at you know at Discovery Canada and sure

1858
01:14:09,870 --> 01:14:05,320
enough discovery Canada picked it up

1859
01:14:12,040 --> 01:14:09,880
because they got enough outcry that's

1860
01:14:13,720 --> 01:14:12,050
we're not the right word to you is

1861
01:14:15,399 --> 01:14:13,730
you know it's like that by man but by

1862
01:14:17,169 --> 01:14:15,409
public demand right they got hundreds of

1863
01:14:18,310 --> 01:14:17,179
tweets and emails from people saying we

1864
01:14:20,169 --> 01:14:18,320
wanted to see this and so they're

1865
01:14:21,819 --> 01:14:20,179
running it so tweet is sort of came to

1866
01:14:24,250 --> 01:14:21,829
the rescue a little bit it's it's the

1867
01:14:26,319 --> 01:14:24,260
new paradigm of you know user demanding

1868
01:14:28,330 --> 01:14:26,329
content and so if you tweet to a channel

1869
01:14:29,890 --> 01:14:28,340
and say I want to see this especially if

1870
01:14:31,600 --> 01:14:29,900
its discovery channel because they're

1871
01:14:33,790 --> 01:14:31,610
all under the same umbrella of discovery

1872
01:14:36,069 --> 01:14:33,800
communications network they can talk to

1873
01:14:38,589 --> 01:14:36,079
each other you know you maybe you can't

1874
01:14:40,419 --> 01:14:38,599
get Firefly a second season but but

1875
01:14:44,200 --> 01:14:40,429
maybe you can get you know this show and

1876
01:14:45,609 --> 01:14:44,210
if if it's popular enough maybe the

1877
01:14:47,109 --> 01:14:45,619
discovery channel will pick it up as a

1878
01:14:49,089 --> 01:14:47,119
full-fledged series i have not heard

1879
01:14:50,560 --> 01:14:49,099
from the network yet i'm hoping they

1880
01:14:52,629 --> 01:14:50,570
will of course i want to turn you send

1881
01:14:54,609 --> 01:14:52,639
the whole show ya where we can analyze

1882
01:14:56,890 --> 01:14:54,619
science of all sorts of things it was

1883
01:14:59,319 --> 01:14:56,900
really I'd love to sit down every week

1884
01:15:01,330 --> 01:14:59,329
and watch bad universe they look thanks

1885
01:15:02,979 --> 01:15:01,340
right after Mythbusters yeah and yeah

1886
01:15:04,299 --> 01:15:02,989
did you know there's a similarity to

1887
01:15:05,530 --> 01:15:04,309
Mythbusters but we're trying to make it

1888
01:15:07,959 --> 01:15:05,540
different the first episode has a lot of

1889
01:15:10,120 --> 01:15:07,969
explosions yeah we don't have quite so

1890
01:15:13,209 --> 01:15:10,130
many in the next episodes but I know I'd

1891
01:15:14,649 --> 01:15:13,219
love to make it was a lot of work oh but

1892
01:15:16,419 --> 01:15:14,659
it is a lot of fun and it's something I

1893
01:15:18,819 --> 01:15:16,429
wanted to do my whole life especially

1894
01:15:20,379 --> 01:15:18,829
over the past 10 or 12 years and its

1895
01:15:23,049 --> 01:15:20,389
really really nice to be able to go out

1896
01:15:25,149 --> 01:15:23,059
and have the backing of an actual

1897
01:15:26,709 --> 01:15:25,159
network in a production company saying

1898
01:15:30,879 --> 01:15:26,719
you know what do you want to make a show

1899
01:15:32,319 --> 01:15:30,889
about like oh well wow yeah and at one

1900
01:15:34,600 --> 01:15:32,329
point actually there was there was an

1901
01:15:37,810 --> 01:15:34,610
executive who said you know what other

1902
01:15:39,189 --> 01:15:37,820
what other ideas she was totally honest

1903
01:15:40,750 --> 01:15:39,199
about this she just didn't know she said

1904
01:15:42,189 --> 01:15:40,760
is that we know what else could you talk

1905
01:15:44,500 --> 01:15:42,199
about if this were to get picked up as a

1906
01:15:46,450 --> 01:15:44,510
series and I was like are you kidding

1907
01:15:48,220 --> 01:15:46,460
and I was like bam bam bam mmm Hannah

1908
01:15:49,720 --> 01:15:48,230
it's listing all these things and she

1909
01:15:51,430 --> 01:15:49,730
was kind of shell-shocked her eyes got

1910
01:15:52,569 --> 01:15:51,440
wide she's like oh well and I could see

1911
01:15:54,640 --> 01:15:52,579
her exchanging glances with this other

1912
01:15:56,109 --> 01:15:54,650
guy like oh I see maybe there are other

1913
01:16:00,100 --> 01:15:56,119
topics we could do in a show like this

1914
01:16:01,180 --> 01:16:00,110
yeah I think so so we'll see i have no

1915
01:16:02,919 --> 01:16:01,190
idea what they're gonna do it's a

1916
01:16:05,500 --> 01:16:02,929
television they could they maybe would

1917
01:16:07,030 --> 01:16:05,510
want to replace me with some you know 16

1918
01:16:08,979 --> 01:16:07,040
year old girl for all I know but we'll

1919
01:16:10,660 --> 01:16:08,989
see what happens when I'm a bolt head

1920
01:16:11,859 --> 01:16:10,670
will it be yeah I know just I mean just

1921
01:16:13,839 --> 01:16:11,869
but you know I mean they just make these

1922
01:16:16,030 --> 01:16:13,849
these random decisions and yeah and so

1923
01:16:18,100 --> 01:16:16,040
there are other there are other hosts

1924
01:16:20,200 --> 01:16:18,110
out there there are who are doing shows

1925
01:16:22,209 --> 01:16:20,210
similar this there's Neil Tyson and me

1926
01:16:23,500 --> 01:16:22,219
shukaku and you don't come to think of

1927
01:16:25,170 --> 01:16:23,510
it I was think about this the other day

1928
01:16:27,600 --> 01:16:25,180
there are shows like this out there

1929
01:16:30,270 --> 01:16:27,610
not with my take on it but it's all men

1930
01:16:33,240 --> 01:16:30,280
now Neil Tyson african-american Misha

1931
01:16:35,670 --> 01:16:33,250
kako is Asian I'm your standard balding

1932
01:16:38,100 --> 01:16:35,680
white guy with beard but there I haven't

1933
01:16:40,140 --> 01:16:38,110
seen any hosted just by women or

1934
01:16:42,030 --> 01:16:40,150
anything like that which is which is

1935
01:16:44,400 --> 01:16:42,040
interesting to me I don't know what to

1936
01:16:47,100 --> 01:16:44,410
make of that I think I know a guy could

1937
01:16:48,420 --> 01:16:47,110
do one ano Pamela obviously oh my gosh

1938
01:16:50,580 --> 01:16:48,430
I'll have to do something with her of

1939
01:16:51,510 --> 01:16:50,590
course but yeah I love Pamela but it's

1940
01:16:53,340 --> 01:16:51,520
interesting i don't know if that's on

1941
01:16:54,990 --> 01:16:53,350
the network side of some science side of

1942
01:16:56,430 --> 01:16:55,000
its on the consumer side or what these

1943
01:16:58,770 --> 01:16:56,440
are complicated issues but it just it

1944
01:17:00,030 --> 01:16:58,780
occurred to me the other day that it's

1945
01:17:01,800 --> 01:17:00,040
interesting to watch television and

1946
01:17:03,740 --> 01:17:01,810
suddenly realize what you're being what

1947
01:17:06,240 --> 01:17:03,750
you what you're seeing and not knowing

1948
01:17:08,400 --> 01:17:06,250
what we don't why why did they choose

1949
01:17:10,710 --> 01:17:08,410
this person no I'm an astronomer and

1950
01:17:11,850 --> 01:17:10,720
I've done this kind of stuff but okay

1951
01:17:13,530 --> 01:17:11,860
you know but it's interesting

1952
01:17:14,940 --> 01:17:13,540
interesting i don't know let's let's

1953
01:17:18,390 --> 01:17:14,950
wrap up the interview with a few

1954
01:17:20,460 --> 01:17:18,400
thoughts about something that was

1955
01:17:22,050 --> 01:17:20,470
certainly an introduction to me about

1956
01:17:24,120 --> 01:17:22,060
who you were and what you were doing

1957
01:17:25,740 --> 01:17:24,130
your first book and one of the major

1958
01:17:29,730 --> 01:17:25,750
concerns you had in the skeptical field

1959
01:17:32,460 --> 01:17:29,740
was themed moon hoax what's the current

1960
01:17:34,860 --> 01:17:32,470
state well we it's sort of like yo yo

1961
01:17:38,040 --> 01:17:34,870
crazy you know i mean the five six seven

1962
01:17:39,930 --> 01:17:38,050
years ago it was all the Fox thing I

1963
01:17:41,640 --> 01:17:39,940
never walked to the dog that's you know

1964
01:17:44,130 --> 01:17:41,650
never around the world I'm finaid of

1965
01:17:46,350 --> 01:17:44,140
yoyo tricks it comes in goods but I

1966
01:17:48,180 --> 01:17:46,360
haven't heard any moon hoax is popping

1967
01:17:50,550 --> 01:17:48,190
up lately it's almost like it's its

1968
01:17:52,890 --> 01:17:50,560
beginning you get nostalgic for the days

1969
01:17:54,240 --> 01:17:52,900
when people's Oh carrying on about this

1970
01:17:55,620 --> 01:17:54,250
but it's still out there i'm back in the

1971
01:17:57,750 --> 01:17:55,630
day when it was so easy to debunk

1972
01:17:59,610 --> 01:17:57,760
something is so ridiculously you know

1973
01:18:00,870 --> 01:17:59,620
there's like oh you're making this claim

1974
01:18:02,910 --> 01:18:00,880
well you know turn around because

1975
01:18:05,070 --> 01:18:02,920
there's an enormous tsunami of evidence

1976
01:18:07,950 --> 01:18:05,080
about to the pets around you that you're

1977
01:18:13,350 --> 01:18:07,960
wrong nope i yearn for the face on Mars

1978
01:18:16,230 --> 01:18:13,360
days and all maybe the days um yeah the

1979
01:18:19,620 --> 01:18:16,240
moon hoax had its heyday it had been

1980
01:18:23,250 --> 01:18:19,630
around in small terms ever since Apollo

1981
01:18:24,720 --> 01:18:23,260
and yeah yeah bill casing the guy who is

1982
01:18:26,400 --> 01:18:24,730
basically the father of the moon host

1983
01:18:27,960 --> 01:18:26,410
was actually involved in the Apollo

1984
01:18:29,790 --> 01:18:27,970
program and he said he had all these

1985
01:18:31,380 --> 01:18:29,800
Bologna things he used to say I have a

1986
01:18:33,960 --> 01:18:31,390
top secret clearance well yeah you were

1987
01:18:35,610 --> 01:18:33,970
file clerk basically you had to have top

1988
01:18:37,620 --> 01:18:35,620
secret clearance by law to be able to

1989
01:18:38,310 --> 01:18:37,630
take a file somebody hands you and put

1990
01:18:40,590 --> 01:18:38,320
it into a lock

1991
01:18:42,450 --> 01:18:40,600
cabinet it doesn't mean you have any

1992
01:18:44,550 --> 01:18:42,460
real inside information on what's going

1993
01:18:46,020 --> 01:18:44,560
on but he made all these outrageous

1994
01:18:48,840 --> 01:18:46,030
claims about the moon landings being

1995
01:18:52,230 --> 01:18:48,850
fake that were ridiculous it got a

1996
01:18:54,480 --> 01:18:52,240
little bit of media attention there's a

1997
01:18:55,890 --> 01:18:54,490
James Bond movie where you see there's a

1998
01:18:58,740 --> 01:18:55,900
chase scene where he's running through a

1999
01:19:01,170 --> 01:18:58,750
set where they're filming a moon landing

2000
01:19:03,030 --> 01:19:01,180
being faked the diamonds are forever i

2001
01:19:04,200 --> 01:19:03,040
think so i think that's right up

2002
01:19:06,930 --> 01:19:04,210
something must been a while suggesting

2003
01:19:08,340 --> 01:19:06,940
it um there's there been a movies here

2004
01:19:10,860 --> 01:19:08,350
and there where they've mentioned it I

2005
01:19:13,830 --> 01:19:10,870
know that movie dan Aykroyd mentions it

2006
01:19:14,790 --> 01:19:13,840
in sneakers I think where he says all

2007
01:19:17,130 --> 01:19:14,800
you know they were they faked the moon

2008
01:19:18,690 --> 01:19:17,140
landing and then there's caprica 11

2009
01:19:19,950 --> 01:19:18,700
that's the movie they take to Mars lane

2010
01:19:24,720 --> 01:19:19,960
which is actually pretty good positive

2011
01:19:30,060 --> 01:19:24,730
is a good movie um but uh it wasn't

2012
01:19:32,450 --> 01:19:30,070
until 2001 when fox and and and again

2013
01:19:34,980 --> 01:19:32,460
Thank You Australia for Rupert Murdoch

2014
01:19:37,230 --> 01:19:34,990
when Fox aired a show called conspiracy

2015
01:19:38,880 --> 01:19:37,240
theory did we land on the moon and then

2016
01:19:39,870 --> 01:19:38,890
this thing exploded and it isn't right

2017
01:19:42,480 --> 01:19:39,880
at the time when the internet was

2018
01:19:47,100 --> 01:19:42,490
getting really popular in the year 2000

2019
01:19:49,830 --> 01:19:47,110
2001 and so it spread like Ebola but

2020
01:19:51,720 --> 01:19:49,840
like Ebola burned itself out relatively

2021
01:19:53,820 --> 01:19:51,730
I think so you know were a few people

2022
01:19:55,860 --> 01:19:53,830
out there who were promoting a really

2023
01:20:00,510 --> 01:19:55,870
hard bart sibrel who made his ridiculous

2024
01:20:03,030 --> 01:20:00,520
videos I mean when your most famous act

2025
01:20:07,200 --> 01:20:03,040
is getting punched in the head by Buzz

2026
01:20:09,200 --> 01:20:07,210
Aldrin in September 2002 you know maybe

2027
01:20:12,270 --> 01:20:09,210
you should rethink your career choices

2028
01:20:14,100 --> 01:20:12,280
um but you know and I knew it would

2029
01:20:16,010 --> 01:20:14,110
eventually I put up a website about it

2030
01:20:19,170 --> 01:20:16,020
my friend Jay Windley who was an

2031
01:20:21,000 --> 01:20:19,180
aerospace engineer he put up a very

2032
01:20:24,300 --> 01:20:21,010
detailed analysis of all these claims

2033
01:20:27,180 --> 01:20:24,310
and you know once it's on the web people

2034
01:20:28,500 --> 01:20:27,190
could find it and it just started dying

2035
01:20:29,790 --> 01:20:28,510
off and there are still a couple of

2036
01:20:31,680 --> 01:20:29,800
diehard guys there's this guy in

2037
01:20:34,200 --> 01:20:31,690
Australia who makes YouTube videos he

2038
01:20:36,410 --> 01:20:34,210
was at a mate oh I remember him yes he

2039
01:20:39,480 --> 01:20:36,420
accosted me and he accosted Adam Savage

2040
01:20:42,360 --> 01:20:39,490
Adam smacked him down pretty good in

2041
01:20:44,730 --> 01:20:42,370
public and I he actually wanted to

2042
01:20:47,610 --> 01:20:44,740
interview me but I I agreed at first but

2043
01:20:50,550 --> 01:20:47,620
then changed my mind because he he was

2044
01:20:51,810 --> 01:20:50,560
completely impervious to evidence hmm he

2045
01:20:52,979 --> 01:20:51,820
would ask me questions and when

2046
01:20:54,899 --> 01:20:52,989
answer them he would either change the

2047
01:20:57,780 --> 01:20:54,909
subject or bring up something to have

2048
01:21:00,359 --> 01:20:57,790
nothing to do with what was going on and

2049
01:21:01,740 --> 01:21:00,369
and it was you know it was clearly and

2050
01:21:03,689 --> 01:21:01,750
I've seen his videos it's clear to me

2051
01:21:05,310 --> 01:21:03,699
that that evidence is not something he's

2052
01:21:07,260 --> 01:21:05,320
interested in unless it supports what

2053
01:21:10,520 --> 01:21:07,270
he's claiming yeah if he can find he's

2054
01:21:12,629 --> 01:21:10,530
an anomaly hunter he looks through

2055
01:21:13,740 --> 01:21:12,639
10,000 pieces of evidence which shall we

2056
01:21:15,660 --> 01:21:13,750
go to the moon and if there's one thing

2057
01:21:17,970 --> 01:21:15,670
that looks a little fishy he talks about

2058
01:21:19,379 --> 01:21:17,980
that and it's like well maybe you just

2059
01:21:20,910 --> 01:21:19,389
don't understand what's going on and you

2060
01:21:23,040 --> 01:21:20,920
should look at these other thousands of

2061
01:21:25,050 --> 01:21:23,050
things that show that we did go to move

2062
01:21:26,939 --> 01:21:25,060
that's not how he operates and so I was

2063
01:21:29,160 --> 01:21:26,949
like I don't I don't I don't trust him I

2064
01:21:30,240 --> 01:21:29,170
figure he's going to edit me and you

2065
01:21:31,470 --> 01:21:30,250
know make me look like I don't know what

2066
01:21:33,270 --> 01:21:31,480
I'm talking about so i just said nap

2067
01:21:35,520 --> 01:21:33,280
screw it these days you don't have to

2068
01:21:38,100 --> 01:21:35,530
give these people air time do you no no

2069
01:21:39,540 --> 01:21:38,110
yoga the day is gone then in the media

2070
01:21:41,399 --> 01:21:39,550
loves to do that they like to bring in

2071
01:21:44,100 --> 01:21:41,409
quiet throw in somebody con it's like

2072
01:21:46,490 --> 01:21:44,110
but why do that you know we know I could

2073
01:21:48,839 --> 01:21:46,500
claim that they're there pink unicorns

2074
01:21:51,330 --> 01:21:48,849
floating in the sky and why should you

2075
01:21:54,450 --> 01:21:51,340
bring in an expert in aerial phenomena

2076
01:21:56,640 --> 01:21:54,460
saying no to argue against this it's

2077
01:21:58,410 --> 01:21:56,650
ridiculous you're giving credence to the

2078
01:22:00,149 --> 01:21:58,420
precious what to me do you do but that

2079
01:22:03,240 --> 01:22:00,159
is what the media do ya to them it's

2080
01:22:05,700 --> 01:22:03,250
been totally understandable and I at the

2081
01:22:07,560 --> 01:22:05,710
example I typically uses abortion it's a

2082
01:22:10,109 --> 01:22:07,570
very hot topic it brings up a lot of

2083
01:22:12,060 --> 01:22:10,119
emotions I can argue persuasively on

2084
01:22:14,790 --> 01:22:12,070
both sides pro and con should we have a

2085
01:22:18,419 --> 01:22:14,800
horse in should we should we not and the

2086
01:22:20,419 --> 01:22:18,429
point is people of good moral stance can

2087
01:22:24,060 --> 01:22:20,429
come down in either side of this issue

2088
01:22:25,620 --> 01:22:24,070
it's a so to have a balanced you want to

2089
01:22:26,879 --> 01:22:25,630
have this open discussion but when

2090
01:22:28,410 --> 01:22:26,889
you're talking about something that is

2091
01:22:30,629 --> 01:22:28,420
clearly real and something that clearly

2092
01:22:33,030 --> 01:22:30,639
isn't there is no fair and balanced to

2093
01:22:36,569 --> 01:22:33,040
be that what's ours my dog going outside

2094
01:22:38,100 --> 01:22:36,579
that's okay for you you Ozzy some must

2095
01:22:39,899 --> 01:22:38,110
be another like we're all or there's a

2096
01:22:42,270 --> 01:22:39,909
there's another one hoax person ah

2097
01:22:47,220 --> 01:22:42,280
listen listening in a cumbia squirrel

2098
01:22:48,750 --> 01:22:47,230
hang on all cores on top for those of

2099
01:22:51,000 --> 01:22:48,760
you who follow my blog that was canis

2100
01:22:52,709 --> 01:22:51,010
minor the black and white dog i had i

2101
01:22:55,290 --> 01:22:52,719
put pictures of her up on the block

2102
01:22:57,660 --> 01:22:55,300
sometimes but you know it's just this

2103
01:22:58,770 --> 01:22:57,670
idea of you have to have both sides of

2104
01:23:01,229 --> 01:22:58,780
an issue and everything like that it's

2105
01:23:03,480 --> 01:23:01,239
baloney that's just not true if you want

2106
01:23:06,510 --> 01:23:03,490
to be fair then

2107
01:23:08,340 --> 01:23:06,520
then the newscast should be here's why

2108
01:23:10,560 --> 01:23:08,350
the moonlight is real you know it's a

2109
01:23:13,140 --> 01:23:10,570
matter of historical fact being fair is

2110
01:23:15,840 --> 01:23:13,150
showing their real not having some some

2111
01:23:18,360 --> 01:23:15,850
crackpot or somebody who's sincere but

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wrong yeah but that sells that sells the

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the paper or Zen Australia puts bums on

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seats yeah you know the LHC is going to

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create a black hole there's an asteroid

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that's going to kill us because of

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electromagnetic effects by on paper and

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find out why exactly and it's all

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baloney and it's see well it's our job

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to make sure that you know freedom of

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the press they can do that but it's up

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to us to make sure that they don't get

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away with it our Phil what a what a

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wonderful pleasure it's been to catch up

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with you again we don't see each other

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very often not as often as we should no

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I'm great Ashley Richards been staying

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here the past couple of days you have no

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disclosure here we are and we went for a

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while min Allah al puta follows would

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know that we went for a hike because we

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were posting photographs of man that was

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great and we spent a day yesterday

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goofing off around boulder which was fun

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just walking around down boulders an

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awesome time it is it's it's similar to

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Sydney in some ways it's not as

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cosmopolitan it's much smaller tennis

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laid back though but yeah a lot of smart

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folks here so really this is a great

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place to live so Phil Plait the the bad

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astronomer and TV star oh if you'll play

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a scene of us before you go I'll get you

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to oh I've got a sign oh well I should

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use you know look you're gonna hand me a

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pen it should at least be a names randi

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educational ish because you could sign

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that to the skeptic zone to ebay winner

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to me buddy winner and will option that

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off actually CJ is assigned by Phil

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Plait while being interviewed on the

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skeptic zone for the skeptic zone and

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I'll just sign it yeah my Australian

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01:24:55,890 --> 01:24:53,020
accent but we had this discussion or

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troubling my Australian accent is just

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as bad as your American accent yeah

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whatever you talk like an American Phil

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Plait and give you my pin back thank you

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thanks very much thanks Richard and and

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don't forget to listen to the skeptic

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zone because this is a good podcast I

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01:25:15,150 --> 01:25:12,100
like this don't forget to watch bad

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01:25:15,580 --> 01:25:15,160
universe the skeptic zone I can't reckon

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ever

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well thank you for listening to the

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skeptic zone our special reports from

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dragoncon now we're still here and

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believe it or not Phil's wife is still

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stuck over there on the logs but coming

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up on next week's episode of the skeptic

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01:25:54,340 --> 01:25:52,190
zone it's the big one Phil it's our

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100th episode in our two-year

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anniversary well that's just based n if

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you were base 12 you have 44 more to go

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yeah there's always one and we have a

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live we did the skeptic zone live at

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dragoncon our special guests will be

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Brian Dunning and Brian brushwood it was

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a fantastic time for those people who

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were there hello what is it sorry I see

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a fish but just about two meters away

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from a seam swimming right there right

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in front of us right with it I did

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wasn't sure there were any fish in this

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uh this lake but there yeah yeah there

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do ya do Oh God oh yeah but i'm popeye

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no more so until next week show this is

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Richard Saunders and Phil Plait signing

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off from what does it black black leg oh

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this isn't likely oh this is Mills Lake

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signing off oh well from from another

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Lake entirely in in Colorado where I'm

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you've been listening to the skeptic

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